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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 1409240" data-attributes="member: 3586">No, it's not a dislike of miniatures in general - it's the implementation.To begin with, there's some shoddy mathematics. A unit of 10 men takes up a 50ft x 50ft square - fair enough. However, a unit of 50 men takes up a 250 x 250 ft square. That is, quite frankly, unbelievable.The movement rules look all right to begin with, until you realise that Attacks of Opportunity have been lessened terribly, basically eliminated for manuevering purposes - but flanking still exists. It's very easy to move a unit behind another one... and the other unit can't react at all!Initiative is terrible: I move all my units, then you move all your units. For mass combat - and not just 100 people a side - I will likely be dealing with 30-40 units a side. At that point, not being able to react hurts terribly.Once you move into that sort of numbers (30+ units per side), the Melee Contact system becomes terribly annoying to keep track of. Have this units attacked each other in melee?When I look at Cry Havoc, I see a system that wanted to keep things simple by keeping it as close to D&amp;D RPG combat as possible. Whilst doing this, it made things more complicated by adding more things to keep track of, and also made manuevering totally unrealistic. A unit of 10 men is not more manueverable than 1 man... but under Cry Havoc's system, it is.Cheers!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 1409240, member: 3586"] No, it's not a dislike of miniatures in general - it's the implementation. To begin with, there's some shoddy mathematics. A unit of 10 men takes up a 50ft x 50ft square - fair enough. However, a unit of 50 men takes up a 250 x 250 ft square. That is, quite frankly, unbelievable. The movement rules look all right to begin with, until you realise that Attacks of Opportunity have been lessened terribly, basically eliminated for manuevering purposes - but flanking still exists. It's very easy to move a unit behind another one... and the other unit can't react at all! Initiative is terrible: I move all my units, then you move all your units. For mass combat - and not just 100 people a side - I will likely be dealing with 30-40 units a side. At that point, not being able to react hurts terribly. Once you move into that sort of numbers (30+ units per side), the Melee Contact system becomes terribly annoying to keep track of. Have this units attacked each other in melee? When I look at [i]Cry Havoc[/i], I see a system that wanted to keep things simple by keeping it as close to D&D RPG combat as possible. Whilst doing this, it made things more complicated by adding more things to keep track of, and also made manuevering totally unrealistic. A unit of 10 men is not more manueverable than 1 man... but under [i]Cry Havoc[/i]'s system, it is. Cheers! [/QUOTE]

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