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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 7449796" data-attributes="member: 6669384">That's pretty easy, actually.There have been many descriptions of the Prestidigitation cantrip over the years/editions.&nbsp; One included the phrase &quot;Perform minor tricks as a professional magician could do&quot;.&nbsp; I used to be a professional magician.&nbsp; Give me a deck of cards, and I'll let you select &quot;randomly&quot;.&nbsp; You'll pick the card I want you to nine out of ten times.&nbsp; It's called &quot;forcing a card&quot;, and there are dozens of ways to do it.If you don't like using the Cantrip approach, recall that it simulates specific Sleight of Hand maneuvers a person can do in the real world.&nbsp; That means they should also be possible with a good Sleight of Hand skill check.A person who sees a card force coming, and is determined to pick the top or bottom card, or maybe the seventh card or some such,&nbsp; can foil many types of card forces.&nbsp; But if the choice is truly random, on your part, there won't be anything random about the results.But Donjon effectively uses the Imprisonment spell.&nbsp; It traps a living person, not a dead soul.Oddly, the Trap the Soul spell also traps the body, no matter what it says on the label.There are some specific ways to die that forbid many of the &quot;bring them back&quot; spells.&nbsp; Effects that age someone can permanently kill them, since someone who dies of old age can't be brought back by any means, for more than a few minutes.&nbsp; After that they die of old age again.In earlier editions there was a Longevity potion/elixir that gave you an extra D10 years, but that vanished after 3.0, as far as I know.&nbsp; One could argue that bringing back a dead-of-old-age person for those few minutes, then feeding them such a potion could prevent re-death.Also, bring them back for those few minutes, then kill them quickly, so it wasn't age that killed them.&nbsp; After that Reincarnation brings them back in a new body, described as &quot;young adult&quot;.&nbsp; One version, if applied right after death, does that with no level loss.&nbsp; I can't recall the spell name right of hand, but I think it was in Spell Compendium.&nbsp; Maybe Complete Divine.Ironic that the true path to eternal life/youth involves getting killed. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 7449796, member: 6669384"] That's pretty easy, actually. There have been many descriptions of the Prestidigitation cantrip over the years/editions. One included the phrase "Perform minor tricks as a professional magician could do". I used to be a professional magician. Give me a deck of cards, and I'll let you select "randomly". You'll pick the card I want you to nine out of ten times. It's called "forcing a card", and there are dozens of ways to do it. If you don't like using the Cantrip approach, recall that it simulates specific Sleight of Hand maneuvers a person can do in the real world. That means they should also be possible with a good Sleight of Hand skill check. A person who sees a card force coming, and is determined to pick the top or bottom card, or maybe the seventh card or some such, can foil many types of card forces. But if the choice is truly random, on your part, there won't be anything random about the results. But Donjon effectively uses the Imprisonment spell. It traps a living person, not a dead soul. Oddly, the Trap the Soul spell also traps the body, no matter what it says on the label. There are some specific ways to die that forbid many of the "bring them back" spells. Effects that age someone can permanently kill them, since someone who dies of old age can't be brought back by any means, for more than a few minutes. After that they die of old age again. In earlier editions there was a Longevity potion/elixir that gave you an extra D10 years, but that vanished after 3.0, as far as I know. One could argue that bringing back a dead-of-old-age person for those few minutes, then feeding them such a potion could prevent re-death. Also, bring them back for those few minutes, then kill them quickly, so it wasn't age that killed them. After that Reincarnation brings them back in a new body, described as "young adult". One version, if applied right after death, does that with no level loss. I can't recall the spell name right of hand, but I think it was in Spell Compendium. Maybe Complete Divine. Ironic that the true path to eternal life/youth involves getting killed. :) [/QUOTE]

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