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<blockquote data-quote="Simon T. Vesper" data-source="post: 7411177" data-attributes="member: 6949304"><p>Personally, I have an idea of the preferred end-state. For the purpose of our discussion, however, I'm willing to accept other ideas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any activity, hobby, job, pursuit, profession, etc., can be said to be advanced if we apply the effort necessary to make it so.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I defer to those who are <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUI49OJfh6o&t=5s" target="_blank">better educated and more informed</a> than myself on the topic of "fun."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is another reason that we shouldn't place "fun" as the end-state goal for ourselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I never said there was. I will say that there can be <em>many</em> different ways to advance your game.</p><p></p><p>I should pause here to try and clarify an issue I see crop up (time and again) when people discuss gaming: we are not passing a moral judgment. By claiming that one game is more advanced than another, no one should construe that to mean that the less advanced game is inferior or unworthy of being played. If that's an acceptable status for you and your game, then have at it; if it isn't, then make an effort to improve your game. I have fun playing pretend with my kids because of the joy they experience playing with their father. I do not claim that play-time with my children is advanced in any way, shape or form (although I do try to create opportunities to teach them things); but I also don't play D&D with my kids because my game is too advanced for them, at this time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not doubt that it is effective. I will have to check it out. (I have some thoughts, based on what you've written here, that I want to share, but they're premature and reactionary, so it's more appropriate that I wait until after I've read the adventure.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My question in return is: what is your goal or destination? To have fun at the table or to have a better playing experience?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Simon T. Vesper, post: 7411177, member: 6949304"] Personally, I have an idea of the preferred end-state. For the purpose of our discussion, however, I'm willing to accept other ideas. Any activity, hobby, job, pursuit, profession, etc., can be said to be advanced if we apply the effort necessary to make it so. Again, I defer to those who are [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUI49OJfh6o&t=5s]better educated and more informed[/URL] than myself on the topic of "fun." Which is another reason that we shouldn't place "fun" as the end-state goal for ourselves. And I never said there was. I will say that there can be [I]many[/I] different ways to advance your game. I should pause here to try and clarify an issue I see crop up (time and again) when people discuss gaming: we are not passing a moral judgment. By claiming that one game is more advanced than another, no one should construe that to mean that the less advanced game is inferior or unworthy of being played. If that's an acceptable status for you and your game, then have at it; if it isn't, then make an effort to improve your game. I have fun playing pretend with my kids because of the joy they experience playing with their father. I do not claim that play-time with my children is advanced in any way, shape or form (although I do try to create opportunities to teach them things); but I also don't play D&D with my kids because my game is too advanced for them, at this time. I do not doubt that it is effective. I will have to check it out. (I have some thoughts, based on what you've written here, that I want to share, but they're premature and reactionary, so it's more appropriate that I wait until after I've read the adventure.) My question in return is: what is your goal or destination? To have fun at the table or to have a better playing experience? [/QUOTE]
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