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<blockquote data-quote="RogueJK" data-source="post: 7491431" data-attributes="member: 170">That combination of classes will be pretty MAD, which is tough when using the standard array.&nbsp; Arcane Trickster spells will suffer from only having a 12 Int for your entire career, which only provides a +1 to your spell save DCs.&nbsp; That'd be less of an issue if you were able to focus on utility spells, but as an Arcane Trickster you're limited to Enchantment and Illusion almost exclusively, and both of those schools rely heavily on saves.&nbsp; Magical Ambush will help with these low DCs, but that won't come online until Level 14/Rogue 9, which is pretty late in the game.You do get three &quot;any school&quot; spells, one each at Rogue 3, Rogue 8, and Rogue 14.&nbsp; But that's very limited.&nbsp; And it looks like two of those three are already spoken for, with Find Familiar and later Shield.&nbsp; (Which, unlike what's depicted on your character map, you would get at Level 13/Rogue 8, not Level 15/Rogue 10).&nbsp; You won't get your third choice until Level 19/Rogue 14, at which point it's a bit moot.As a result, unless you're just dead-set on being able to cast Invisibility yourself and/or relying heavily on Mage Hand Legerdemain, you might consider dropping Arcane Trickster and going with a different Rogue archetype.&nbsp; Especially if there's another caster in the party that can take care of your Invisibility needs.&nbsp; Thief is pretty useful all-around, and Inquisitive is handy if you want to be sure to detect/notice every little thing, but Scout can be a nice fit for a ranged attacker, with their Skirmisher ability helping remove the need for the Crossbow Expert feat, since you could just move away from anyone that closes to melee with you, thus freeing up an additional ASI.&nbsp; In that case, I would go something like Gloomstalker 11/Scout 9 (if you want 3rd Level Ranger spells and the ability to reroll missed attacks) or Gloomstalker 8/Scout 12 (if you want more Sneak Attack damage and two extra ASIs/feats), since you won't get much out of the Scout 13's Ambush Master because you already have advantage on initiative rolls from Revised Ranger and should already have advantage on most attacks through stealth, and Rogue 15's Slippery Mind is already covered by Gloomstalker 7's Iron Mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RogueJK, post: 7491431, member: 170"] That combination of classes will be pretty MAD, which is tough when using the standard array. Arcane Trickster spells will suffer from only having a 12 Int for your entire career, which only provides a +1 to your spell save DCs. That'd be less of an issue if you were able to focus on utility spells, but as an Arcane Trickster you're limited to Enchantment and Illusion almost exclusively, and both of those schools rely heavily on saves. Magical Ambush will help with these low DCs, but that won't come online until Level 14/Rogue 9, which is pretty late in the game. You do get three "any school" spells, one each at Rogue 3, Rogue 8, and Rogue 14. But that's very limited. And it looks like two of those three are already spoken for, with Find Familiar and later Shield. (Which, unlike what's depicted on your character map, you would get at Level 13/Rogue 8, not Level 15/Rogue 10). You won't get your third choice until Level 19/Rogue 14, at which point it's a bit moot. As a result, unless you're just dead-set on being able to cast Invisibility yourself and/or relying heavily on Mage Hand Legerdemain, you might consider dropping Arcane Trickster and going with a different Rogue archetype. Especially if there's another caster in the party that can take care of your Invisibility needs. Thief is pretty useful all-around, and Inquisitive is handy if you want to be sure to detect/notice every little thing, but Scout can be a nice fit for a ranged attacker, with their Skirmisher ability helping remove the need for the Crossbow Expert feat, since you could just move away from anyone that closes to melee with you, thus freeing up an additional ASI. In that case, I would go something like Gloomstalker 11/Scout 9 (if you want 3rd Level Ranger spells and the ability to reroll missed attacks) or Gloomstalker 8/Scout 12 (if you want more Sneak Attack damage and two extra ASIs/feats), since you won't get much out of the Scout 13's Ambush Master because you already have advantage on initiative rolls from Revised Ranger and should already have advantage on most attacks through stealth, and Rogue 15's Slippery Mind is already covered by Gloomstalker 7's Iron Mind. [/QUOTE]

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