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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Ben" data-source="post: 260141" data-attributes="member: 1396">Well, turning them into mini-rages is awfully powerful.&nbsp; A high level barbarian only has like 4 rages, a mid level bbn/clr/PrC could easily have 4 mini-rages with an average charisma.&nbsp; A better charisma means basically every battle you have the mini-rage or regular rage.&nbsp; A bit powerful.&nbsp; A bonus to hit or damage is probably better then both.&nbsp; Trade them in for a divine bonus to a few skills or maybe for 1 round bonus's to damage and hit and it's much more balanced.&nbsp; What does a Bbn5/Clr5 have?&nbsp; Now compare it to a Bbn2/Clr3/PrC5 - they should be roughly equal in overall power, but a bit more specialized in the PrC.&nbsp; I'd like to make a 1-20 class instead of PrC personally.&nbsp; I'd trade in cleric abilities - the ability to spontaneously cast cure, turn undead, favored will save, drop heavy armor prof's, and drop the domains and extra domain spells at each level.&nbsp; In return I'd want the martial weapon prof, rage, BAB, and DR of the barbarian, along with a d10 HD.It appears at first glance to be fairly balanced.&nbsp; One less spell at each level due to domain loss, loss of special domain abilities, you need to prepare cure spells, you can't turn undead.&nbsp;&nbsp; You gain a good BAB, rage, DR at high levels, and&nbsp; you can use martial weapons.&nbsp; Good divine fighter IMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Ben, post: 260141, member: 1396"] Well, turning them into mini-rages is awfully powerful. A high level barbarian only has like 4 rages, a mid level bbn/clr/PrC could easily have 4 mini-rages with an average charisma. A better charisma means basically every battle you have the mini-rage or regular rage. A bit powerful. A bonus to hit or damage is probably better then both. Trade them in for a divine bonus to a few skills or maybe for 1 round bonus's to damage and hit and it's much more balanced. What does a Bbn5/Clr5 have? Now compare it to a Bbn2/Clr3/PrC5 - they should be roughly equal in overall power, but a bit more specialized in the PrC. I'd like to make a 1-20 class instead of PrC personally. I'd trade in cleric abilities - the ability to spontaneously cast cure, turn undead, favored will save, drop heavy armor prof's, and drop the domains and extra domain spells at each level. In return I'd want the martial weapon prof, rage, BAB, and DR of the barbarian, along with a d10 HD. It appears at first glance to be fairly balanced. One less spell at each level due to domain loss, loss of special domain abilities, you need to prepare cure spells, you can't turn undead. You gain a good BAB, rage, DR at high levels, and you can use martial weapons. Good divine fighter IMHO. [/QUOTE]

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