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<blockquote data-quote="Grogg of the North" data-source="post: 6057138" data-attributes="member: 6682960">Knight Protector (CW) is probably your best bet.&nbsp; You gain bonuses when you help your ally, get extra attacks, supreme cleave, and you can expect some support and aid as a knight from NPCs.&nbsp; The code of honor is pretty neat too.&nbsp; Kensai (CW) is also a great choice.&nbsp; Swear an oath to your lord, master your weapon of choice and in time you can become a warlord yourself.&nbsp; If you do chose this class, make sure your DM reads the side bar on the class about not screwing your players because they swear an oath.Purple Dragon Knight (CW) is a neat 5 level class but it may not fit what your player wants.&nbsp; It requires mounted combat, but you don't get any mounted benefits from the class.&nbsp; I don't know if your DM would allow the Purple Dragons to exist in his world either or if he'd allow a similar organization.&nbsp; It has some funky skill requirements too.&nbsp; Finally, it has inspire courage which I know your friend doesn't want.&nbsp; However, the rallying cry, fear ability and last stand are pretty neat!Thayan Knight (CW) is a lot like PDK.&nbsp; It has a funky special that your DM may not allow you to alter and the class requires you to act more as a bodyguard than anything else.&nbsp; Justicar (CW) I've always seen this as more of a bounty hunter than a knight.&nbsp; Though I imagine with some proper roleplaying your character could wind up being The Hound from ASoIaF.&nbsp; Shadowbane Inquisitor (CAv) is a paladin/rogue hybrid.&nbsp; It unfortunately would require massive rework of the character.&nbsp; It doesn't &quot;need&quot; spellcasting but you can use your spells to do other things with the PrC.&nbsp; It also requires turn undead for entry but you use those turn attempts for other things.&nbsp; I'm not sure if this is what your player is looking for but I wanted to list it just in case.&nbsp; If Derrek was good I would suggest Anointed Knight but it doesn't look like your DM is allowing BoED either.&nbsp; I know that your friend is against mounted combat and spell casting but there are some neat classes for those.&nbsp; Cavalier, Hospitalier and Pious Templar immediately leap to mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grogg of the North, post: 6057138, member: 6682960"] Knight Protector (CW) is probably your best bet. You gain bonuses when you help your ally, get extra attacks, supreme cleave, and you can expect some support and aid as a knight from NPCs. The code of honor is pretty neat too. Kensai (CW) is also a great choice. Swear an oath to your lord, master your weapon of choice and in time you can become a warlord yourself. If you do chose this class, make sure your DM reads the side bar on the class about not screwing your players because they swear an oath. Purple Dragon Knight (CW) is a neat 5 level class but it may not fit what your player wants. It requires mounted combat, but you don't get any mounted benefits from the class. I don't know if your DM would allow the Purple Dragons to exist in his world either or if he'd allow a similar organization. It has some funky skill requirements too. Finally, it has inspire courage which I know your friend doesn't want. However, the rallying cry, fear ability and last stand are pretty neat! Thayan Knight (CW) is a lot like PDK. It has a funky special that your DM may not allow you to alter and the class requires you to act more as a bodyguard than anything else. Justicar (CW) I've always seen this as more of a bounty hunter than a knight. Though I imagine with some proper roleplaying your character could wind up being The Hound from ASoIaF. Shadowbane Inquisitor (CAv) is a paladin/rogue hybrid. It unfortunately would require massive rework of the character. It doesn't "need" spellcasting but you can use your spells to do other things with the PrC. It also requires turn undead for entry but you use those turn attempts for other things. I'm not sure if this is what your player is looking for but I wanted to list it just in case. If Derrek was good I would suggest Anointed Knight but it doesn't look like your DM is allowing BoED either. I know that your friend is against mounted combat and spell casting but there are some neat classes for those. Cavalier, Hospitalier and Pious Templar immediately leap to mind. [/QUOTE]

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