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<blockquote data-quote="Dozen" data-source="post: 6127134" data-attributes="member: 6698275"><p>I'm glad you forgave me. And I agree, the difference between the two may go over a PC's head... but it has gone over the player's head, too. He is quite possibly digging his character's grave.</p><p> Don't forget, creatures of the Outsider type are intentionally more powerful than the CR would indicate. Take a look: even when assuming a closed place, the Archon would smack the Marut around like an adamantine tatterball! Maruts were designed as inappropriate encounters against spellcasters who meddle with life forces, not to fight with combatants of their own level. Archons have better initiative, hit points, spellcasting, flight, ridiculous saves, skills and feats, even his weapon bypasses an Inevitable's DR. The Marut on the other hand, being a Construct, has no skills, feats, or a Constitution score, rendering his Concentration checks as terrible as they can get. All you'd need is an effect that disrupts spellcasting, and the "Inevitable" becomes a glorified piece of sentient scrap metal. That notwithstanding, it still cannot possibly heal itself fast enough while it tries and fails to damage any one of the opposing noncasters. Unless Construct traits, Greater Dispel and superior HD are for some reason more fitting against the antagonists, he's in for a good lesson on not trusting Challenge Rating so much. </p><p>Point these out to him, or have the character feel the mistake on her skin, whichever you feel appropriate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dozen, post: 6127134, member: 6698275"] I'm glad you forgave me. And I agree, the difference between the two may go over a PC's head... but it has gone over the player's head, too. He is quite possibly digging his character's grave. Don't forget, creatures of the Outsider type are intentionally more powerful than the CR would indicate. Take a look: even when assuming a closed place, the Archon would smack the Marut around like an adamantine tatterball! Maruts were designed as inappropriate encounters against spellcasters who meddle with life forces, not to fight with combatants of their own level. Archons have better initiative, hit points, spellcasting, flight, ridiculous saves, skills and feats, even his weapon bypasses an Inevitable's DR. The Marut on the other hand, being a Construct, has no skills, feats, or a Constitution score, rendering his Concentration checks as terrible as they can get. All you'd need is an effect that disrupts spellcasting, and the "Inevitable" becomes a glorified piece of sentient scrap metal. That notwithstanding, it still cannot possibly heal itself fast enough while it tries and fails to damage any one of the opposing noncasters. Unless Construct traits, Greater Dispel and superior HD are for some reason more fitting against the antagonists, he's in for a good lesson on not trusting Challenge Rating so much. Point these out to him, or have the character feel the mistake on her skin, whichever you feel appropriate. [/QUOTE]
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