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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Philotomy Jurament" data-source="post: 4671311" data-attributes="member: 20854">I agree with everything you said in that last post, Obryn (especially about <a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/reply/169567/t/1st-Edition-AD-amp-D.html#reply-169567" target="_blank">not wanting a skill system</a> and <a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/reply/169571/t/1st-Edition-AD-amp-D.html#reply-169571" target="_blank">ways to handle various actions</a>).  Not long after I became dissatisfied with 3e, I tried C&C and loved it...at first.  After playing it  while, I started running into things that didn't work like I wanted them to.  My house rules made the game more and more like traditional D&D, and pretty soon I realized I'd be happier playing the real deal.The SIEGE engine is one of the main defining elements of C&C.  It's used almost everywhere.  It's an almost "universal mechanic."  It's also the main contributor to my eventual dissatisfaction with C&C, because it's shoehorned into areas where I think a different subsystem would work better (e.g. AD&D surprise vs. C&C surprise), <a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/reply/169752/t/1st-Edition-AD-amp-D.html#reply-169752" target="_blank">it breaks down and lessens the importance of character class</a> (e.g. saving throws in C&C vs. saving throws in TSR D&D), and I think it brings <a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/reply/169732/t/1st-Edition-AD-amp-D.html#reply-169732" target="_blank">unwanted side-effects</a> to the fore (e.g. surprise in C&C is a Wis-based check, which means <a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/reply/169738/t/1st-Edition-AD-amp-D.html#reply-169738" target="_blank">your Cleric is typically the best ambush-detector in the party</a>).C&C's position as the "middle road" between the editions is its great strength and its great weakness.  Those who love it for that "middle way" quality find it perfect for their needs, but it takes fire from those who like WotC-style D&D for being too much like the old editions, and it takes fire from those who like TSR-style D&D for the modern elements that throw it off track from being truly like old school D&D.  After I played it for a while, I found too many little things that all added up to it not feeling right to me.  What I really wanted was old-school TSR D&D, and C&C was closer to that, but didn't quite get me there -- too many little differences (sometimes with larger-than-expected effects) that added up.(I still had fun with C&C -- I'm not saying it's a bad game.  But again, if you *really* want 1e feel, run 1e.)</blockquote>

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