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<blockquote data-quote="mhd" data-source="post: 1428934" data-attributes="member: 16805">That's not a duel, that's a pit-fight. For a pit fighter or judicial champion Ftr12 is a fine choice, but the duelist as depicted in the DMG definitely targets something different. We're talking about D'Artagnan or the Gray Mouser here.The D&amp;D rules don't favour unarmored fighters with small, agile weapons. There's not that much you can do about it with feats. That's why prestige classes have to cater to that crowd. The Duelist gets an AC bonus from his Int and does &quot;precision damage&quot;, which brings him closer to his plate-armoured, greatsword-wielding equivalent.With the (very artificial) restriction of no armor and a rapier as the only weapon, I doubt that a Ftr with all his feats could come close. Duelists will shin in this little niche, the Fighter is still the unbeaten king of the battlefield. Just like it should be, you didn't see Italian fencing masters prancing around during a full-fledged battle.(so, let's build Inigo, Fezzik and Vicini in D&amp;D now <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="mhd, post: 1428934, member: 16805"] That's not a duel, that's a pit-fight. For a pit fighter or judicial champion Ftr12 is a fine choice, but the duelist as depicted in the DMG definitely targets something different. We're talking about D'Artagnan or the Gray Mouser here. The D&D rules don't favour unarmored fighters with small, agile weapons. There's not that much you can do about it with feats. That's why prestige classes have to cater to that crowd. The Duelist gets an AC bonus from his Int and does "precision damage", which brings him closer to his plate-armoured, greatsword-wielding equivalent. With the (very artificial) restriction of no armor and a rapier as the only weapon, I doubt that a Ftr with all his feats could come close. Duelists will shin in this little niche, the Fighter is still the unbeaten king of the battlefield. Just like it should be, you didn't see Italian fencing masters prancing around during a full-fledged battle. (so, let's build Inigo, Fezzik and Vicini in D&D now ;) [/QUOTE]

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