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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 8387926" data-attributes="member: 42040">IMO, D&amp;D 4e might be equally as specialized.I can say that PF2 isn't a satisfying as a &quot;combat arena&quot; game for me - which I know from my attempt at running Abomination Vaults. D&amp;D 4e handles that much better by having tighter combat options, more interesting creature design, more defined powers and rules options for classes.I've run part of two APs. I don't think either of my experiences adequately tested PF2, because they were just that: tests and not real games. We wanted to see how the system works, to learn how combat and other subsystems worked. But what we didn't do in either was actually have a campaign with role-playing, character motivations, mysteries, sessions of exploring, etc. Until that is done, you're just rolling dice to see how fun combat is without any real connection to a character or story. It's test-driving a new car in the dealer's parking lot. You don't really know how it drives until you get it on the open road.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 8387926, member: 42040"] IMO, D&D 4e might be equally as specialized. I can say that PF2 isn't a satisfying as a "combat arena" game for me - which I know from my attempt at running Abomination Vaults. D&D 4e handles that much better by having tighter combat options, more interesting creature design, more defined powers and rules options for classes. I've run part of two APs. I don't think either of my experiences adequately tested PF2, because they were just that: tests and not real games. We wanted to see how the system works, to learn how combat and other subsystems worked. But what we didn't do in either was actually have a campaign with role-playing, character motivations, mysteries, sessions of exploring, etc. Until that is done, you're just rolling dice to see how fun combat is without any real connection to a character or story. It's test-driving a new car in the dealer's parking lot. You don't really know how it drives until you get it on the open road. [/QUOTE]

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