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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Onslaught" data-source="post: 7043011" data-attributes="member: 61011">This is an important part of the discussion that gets no attention at all, because... When prompted with Options 1 and 2, what we get is mostly whining because it's not Option 3.But... that's exactly what people are after!! Since 5E have this huge emphasis on characterization... why not use a War Cleric with a specific spell selection (Guidance, Bless, Healing Word, Prayer of Healing...), and allow him to give is bonus attack (WarPriest) to any friend in 30ft range? Or mix that with PDK. Just describe as if there was no magic being cast.Class bloat is a real thing not only for part of the community, but also to the designers. The fact that they built the Artificer as a Wizard archetype first is proof of that.. but, as with the Warlord, that class was first built with *edition mechanics* in mind (magic item creation from 3.5), so it'll probably never be perfectly ported to 5e (since no magic item creation rules)It borders edition warring because Warlord is a child of 4E mechanics. The whole concept of a "Martial Leader" is pure 4E. It's a class to demonstrate the new system's capabilities and themes, as... Wii Sports was a game to demonstrate what the Wii is about - it is still a game, and its still fun, see?</blockquote>