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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 4347653" data-attributes="member: 20805">I think I get it, altho I was not present. And I disagree, the DM tactics do come into play.But.. as I see it: Your group had a tactical advantage from terrain and placement, used two nasty daily powers to futher control the battlefield, and worked as a team... and found that the CR equivilent combat was not the challenge you expected it to be.  Glancing at the MM, I can see some DM tactical options with the critters involved that might have impacted your opinion of that combat. That combination looks like it could be very nasty.... especially if the location was a nice swamp <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> However.. your post was more about the grinding nature of 4e combat when faced with encounters full of monsters that lack a recharge/bloodied/death throe mechanic in restricted terrain. My question for you... is this really new to 4e or is it encounter design?</blockquote>