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<blockquote data-quote="redmage" data-source="post: 92002" data-attributes="member: 3435"><p><strong>rebutting Lord of the Hackers</strong></p><p></p><p>I submitted the following to the OP-Ed column of the NYT. </p><p>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p><p></p><p></p><p>I must rebut the article posted by SHERRY TURKLE entitled Lord of the</p><p>Hackers. First I must say it is uninformed. Sherry seems to have formed</p><p>an opinion about a specific subject and found facts that appear to</p><p>support it. Any one with any type analytical training what so ever</p><p>knows that this method of forming a hypotheses is incorrect and lead</p><p>you to conclude falsely. </p><p></p><p>Yes a programmer at MIT did write a game called adventure and yes many</p><p>people do play and are still playing FRP (Fantasy role playing) games</p><p>assisted by a computer or using the computer as a platform for the</p><p>game itself. But the assertion that the games are for computer geeks</p><p>by computer geeks is dead wrong. I know personally people that play</p><p>games such as Dungeons & dragons that have never touched a computer.</p><p>And the assertion that Girls don't do that sort of thing is dead wrong</p><p>as well. I personally know many women that play such games. Their</p><p>are scores of people that play these games that don't use computers</p><p>and their are scores of women who play such games. </p><p></p><p>The reasons that these games lend them selves to be developed and played</p><p>using a computer as a platform has nothing to do with the mentality</p><p>of a computer programmer. It is true that computers use 0's and 1's</p><p>to encode information. But all forms of information that we as humans</p><p>can produce or communicate can be encoded as 0's and 1's. The reason</p><p>that these types of games lend them selves to be run on computers</p><p>is because they are statistical driven games. Most games are. In actuality</p><p>i cannot think of any games at all that cannot be made into a form</p><p>of statistical probabilities. </p><p></p><p>It also seems that the writer believes that the RPG world runs parallel</p><p>to the computer industry. In the scope that is is male dominated and</p><p>designed to be exclusive to females. I find this to be offensive stereo</p><p>typing of a profession. It is obvious to me that this person has (A.)</p><p>never played a FRP game and (B.) Has never worked in an IT position.</p><p>I am an IT professional and I know women in all levels of the industry.</p><p>It maybe true that men are currently in the majority of the filled</p><p>positions in the IT industry however that is true for a lot of industries.</p><p>Their are industries in which women are in the majority Nursing, Daycare,</p><p>Floral, just to name a few. But you don't see men running around complaining</p><p>and pointing this out. </p><p></p><p>It is also stated that things such as computer programming and FRP</p><p>games are geared toward the male mindset or way of thinking. That</p><p>adolescent boys see programming as a game of a type that they have</p><p>one block of code that they conquer and then they move on to the next</p><p>block of code. As a programmer this is an unrealistic perception of</p><p>what programming is about. In order to write a program one must first</p><p>analyze the task to be performed then decide on a formula that would</p><p>complete the task, then the programmer must take that formula and</p><p>break it down to it simplest steps and implament them using a programming</p><p>language, after that the programmer must test the program agents all</p><p>types of environmental conditions such as of the user inputs the incorrect</p><p>data. How much data can the program handle from any input source and</p><p>countless other conditions that are outside of the normal operating</p><p>specification of the design of the program. Programming requires many</p><p>skills and is not a simple task. a programmer must be analytical,</p><p>must be able to sort out information a divide it into logical segments.</p><p>must be able to the use that information to formulate steps to accomplish</p><p>the intended goal. To suggest that women cannot do this or are not</p><p>naturally inclined to such task should be an offense to women everyware. </p><p></p><p>What spurred me to write this rebuttal was a woman that was on dungeons</p><p>and dragons message board made a post that she would like some one</p><p>that was more eloquent with word then herself to rebut this article.</p><p>I personally hadn't planned on it however after reading the article</p><p>I was sadend to see that anyone could have such a narrow focus on</p><p>the these things. Lumping J.J.R Tolkin D&D and roll playing games</p><p>all together and stating that all people that do these thing are of</p><p>the same mentality and must be men. To me that is offensive and it</p><p>should offend a great many people as well. This was not an accurate</p><p>analysis of any of the things mentioned in the article. </p><p></p><p>As for the authors interpretation of J.J.R Tolkens Lord of the ring</p><p>series. Again I must say that she is dead wrong. In fact The books</p><p>were written to establish the argument that of spiritualism verses</p><p>materialism. The books were authored in a time of modernization of</p><p>America that focused on materialism. The idea that these new scientific</p><p>inventions and devices would make your life easier and more pleasurable.</p><p>The books them selves are a direct contradiction to the advancement</p><p>of computer technology and the possession of things. J.J.R Tolkin</p><p>as other writers attempted to point out that we as humans have more</p><p>intrinsic abilities that are more profound and better then the advancement</p><p>of science and technology. writer such as C.S. lewis and J.J.R Tolkin</p><p>were not for and were even agents such things. They saw the advancement</p><p>of materialism as a direct undermining of the religious principles</p><p>on which this country was founded. The author failure to understand</p><p>this only shows her lack of depth and preception. I personally don't</p><p>believe that she read any of these authors either but took her 10</p><p>year old girl to go see the movie and decided that the movie was bad</p><p>an thought to write a slanderous article about it. </p><p></p><p>The author also missed the psychological value of such roll playing</p><p>games such as Dungeons & Dragons. Roll playing has been a standard</p><p>tool used in phychotharepy for many years. These games can teach people</p><p>to have more confidence and have a better self image. The ability</p><p>to deal with character on a fantasy level exercises the imagination</p><p>and builds creativity. Games such as these are played by people of</p><p>high intelligence such as M. Joseph Young a member of MESA. To speculate</p><p>that the game is played by impresionable young boys and teaches them</p><p>to dissociate them selves from reality is iresponsable. In fact the</p><p>goal of the game is to simulate reality in such a fashion as to make</p><p>the imagined world realistic. People who have played such games for</p><p>a long time are able to litterate much better in my opinion then the</p><p>average person. It teaches problem solving skills and many other things. </p><p></p><p>in conclusion I must say to the author that writing about things that</p><p>you have no prior experience and knowledge is questionable at best.</p><p>Writing about things in which you have experience and knowledge with</p><p>out research is just plain foolish. Please refrain from forming opinions</p><p>of false assumptions and misinformation. Remember that the world wide</p><p>web is accessable by over 33% of the earths population. Their are</p><p>a great many divers groups of people who know a great deal about a</p><p>great many things. To go slandering a group of people without research</p><p>and without facts opens yourself to ridicule and discreadits yourself.</p><p>It was once said ``It is better to not open your mouth and let people</p><p>think you a fool then to open it and prove them right.''</p><p></p><p>Setting the record straight </p><p></p><p>Redmage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="redmage, post: 92002, member: 3435"] [b]rebutting Lord of the Hackers[/b] I submitted the following to the OP-Ed column of the NYT. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I must rebut the article posted by SHERRY TURKLE entitled Lord of the Hackers. First I must say it is uninformed. Sherry seems to have formed an opinion about a specific subject and found facts that appear to support it. Any one with any type analytical training what so ever knows that this method of forming a hypotheses is incorrect and lead you to conclude falsely. Yes a programmer at MIT did write a game called adventure and yes many people do play and are still playing FRP (Fantasy role playing) games assisted by a computer or using the computer as a platform for the game itself. But the assertion that the games are for computer geeks by computer geeks is dead wrong. I know personally people that play games such as Dungeons & dragons that have never touched a computer. And the assertion that Girls don't do that sort of thing is dead wrong as well. I personally know many women that play such games. Their are scores of people that play these games that don't use computers and their are scores of women who play such games. The reasons that these games lend them selves to be developed and played using a computer as a platform has nothing to do with the mentality of a computer programmer. It is true that computers use 0's and 1's to encode information. But all forms of information that we as humans can produce or communicate can be encoded as 0's and 1's. The reason that these types of games lend them selves to be run on computers is because they are statistical driven games. Most games are. In actuality i cannot think of any games at all that cannot be made into a form of statistical probabilities. It also seems that the writer believes that the RPG world runs parallel to the computer industry. In the scope that is is male dominated and designed to be exclusive to females. I find this to be offensive stereo typing of a profession. It is obvious to me that this person has (A.) never played a FRP game and (B.) Has never worked in an IT position. I am an IT professional and I know women in all levels of the industry. It maybe true that men are currently in the majority of the filled positions in the IT industry however that is true for a lot of industries. Their are industries in which women are in the majority Nursing, Daycare, Floral, just to name a few. But you don't see men running around complaining and pointing this out. It is also stated that things such as computer programming and FRP games are geared toward the male mindset or way of thinking. That adolescent boys see programming as a game of a type that they have one block of code that they conquer and then they move on to the next block of code. As a programmer this is an unrealistic perception of what programming is about. In order to write a program one must first analyze the task to be performed then decide on a formula that would complete the task, then the programmer must take that formula and break it down to it simplest steps and implament them using a programming language, after that the programmer must test the program agents all types of environmental conditions such as of the user inputs the incorrect data. How much data can the program handle from any input source and countless other conditions that are outside of the normal operating specification of the design of the program. Programming requires many skills and is not a simple task. a programmer must be analytical, must be able to sort out information a divide it into logical segments. must be able to the use that information to formulate steps to accomplish the intended goal. To suggest that women cannot do this or are not naturally inclined to such task should be an offense to women everyware. What spurred me to write this rebuttal was a woman that was on dungeons and dragons message board made a post that she would like some one that was more eloquent with word then herself to rebut this article. I personally hadn't planned on it however after reading the article I was sadend to see that anyone could have such a narrow focus on the these things. Lumping J.J.R Tolkin D&D and roll playing games all together and stating that all people that do these thing are of the same mentality and must be men. To me that is offensive and it should offend a great many people as well. This was not an accurate analysis of any of the things mentioned in the article. As for the authors interpretation of J.J.R Tolkens Lord of the ring series. Again I must say that she is dead wrong. In fact The books were written to establish the argument that of spiritualism verses materialism. The books were authored in a time of modernization of America that focused on materialism. The idea that these new scientific inventions and devices would make your life easier and more pleasurable. The books them selves are a direct contradiction to the advancement of computer technology and the possession of things. J.J.R Tolkin as other writers attempted to point out that we as humans have more intrinsic abilities that are more profound and better then the advancement of science and technology. writer such as C.S. lewis and J.J.R Tolkin were not for and were even agents such things. They saw the advancement of materialism as a direct undermining of the religious principles on which this country was founded. The author failure to understand this only shows her lack of depth and preception. I personally don't believe that she read any of these authors either but took her 10 year old girl to go see the movie and decided that the movie was bad an thought to write a slanderous article about it. The author also missed the psychological value of such roll playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons. Roll playing has been a standard tool used in phychotharepy for many years. These games can teach people to have more confidence and have a better self image. The ability to deal with character on a fantasy level exercises the imagination and builds creativity. Games such as these are played by people of high intelligence such as M. Joseph Young a member of MESA. To speculate that the game is played by impresionable young boys and teaches them to dissociate them selves from reality is iresponsable. In fact the goal of the game is to simulate reality in such a fashion as to make the imagined world realistic. People who have played such games for a long time are able to litterate much better in my opinion then the average person. It teaches problem solving skills and many other things. in conclusion I must say to the author that writing about things that you have no prior experience and knowledge is questionable at best. Writing about things in which you have experience and knowledge with out research is just plain foolish. Please refrain from forming opinions of false assumptions and misinformation. Remember that the world wide web is accessable by over 33% of the earths population. Their are a great many divers groups of people who know a great deal about a great many things. To go slandering a group of people without research and without facts opens yourself to ridicule and discreadits yourself. It was once said ``It is better to not open your mouth and let people think you a fool then to open it and prove them right.'' Setting the record straight Redmage. [/QUOTE]
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