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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1308866" data-attributes="member: 812">Can anyone say, &quot;Eowyn versus the Witch-King&quot;?Count me among those who found some of the changes jarring and unwelcome. Again, I'm not arguing that there weren't serious changes, nor that there weren't bad changes -- I'm just saying it's incorrect to say that the PLOT was changed.I'll only say, as a defense to film-makers, that changes are necessitated by more than just time constraints. A novel does not have the same need for ongoing and apparent tension that a film or a play has.An audience that would happily read a sequence in which characters are not in immediate peril will not sit through a similar sequence on screen or stage. Defining &quot;peril&quot; fairly loosely but specifically as &quot;threat to the successful resolution of needed goal&quot;. But the rules of story change from one medium to the next.That doesn't justify bad choices, but it must be considered when assessing all choices.And in conclusion I'll just say that every time the films got closer to the books, they got better. The best dialogue in the films is that which Tolkien wrote himself, and among the great disappointments of the films -- the absence of &quot;Begone, foul dwimmerlaik!&quot; and &quot;Here is the Sword that Was Broken and if forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!&quot; are perhaps the two most painful.*bows to Sir Whiskers*To quote Will Shetterly:</blockquote>

[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 1308866, member: 812"] Can anyone say, "Eowyn versus the Witch-King"? Count me among those who found some of the changes jarring and unwelcome. Again, I'm not arguing that there weren't serious changes, nor that there weren't bad changes -- I'm just saying it's incorrect to say that the PLOT was changed. I'll only say, as a defense to film-makers, that changes are necessitated by more than just time constraints. A novel does not have the same need for ongoing and apparent tension that a film or a play has. An audience that would happily read a sequence in which characters are not in immediate peril will not sit through a similar sequence on screen or stage. Defining "peril" fairly loosely but specifically as "threat to the successful resolution of needed goal". But the rules of story change from one medium to the next. That doesn't justify bad choices, but it must be considered when assessing all choices. And in conclusion I'll just say that every time the films got closer to the books, they got better. The best dialogue in the films is that which Tolkien wrote himself, and among the great disappointments of the films -- the absence of "Begone, foul dwimmerlaik!" and "Here is the Sword that Was Broken and if forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!" are perhaps the two most painful. *bows to Sir Whiskers* To quote Will Shetterly: [/QUOTE]

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