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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 536884" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p><strong>Re: Another review ...</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't think that there were more changes -- FotR actually changed quite a bit. The biggest change for TTT was the chopping off of several parts of the movie and deferring them to RotK. Since RotK actually has a very long extended epilogue, which is bad film-making, this move actually makes sense.</p><p></p><p>I still don't like the End Credits theme song, though. Maybe it'll grow on me...</p><p></p><p>Agreed 100%</p><p></p><p>Again, 100% behind you there.</p><p></p><p>And you just <em>knew</em> they were going to add it -- they already beefed up the action anyway. It was pretty fun.</p><p></p><p>Actually, I really dislike the "cut-scene" action type. Pull the camera back a few feet and let us actually see what's going on! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></p><p></p><p>Eh. Yes and no. Jackson did a good job of it, but don't sell Tolkien short. He built this up quite a bit as well, in many more ways. I love Eowyn in the movie, though. Can't wait to see her put some smack-down on the Witch-king next year! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>There actually seemed to be fewer changes. In fact, I recognized a lot more dialogue that was word for word out of the book this time around.</p><p></p><p>Yep. Not to mention the fact that without the spill-over, TTT is too long and RotK is too short (or has plot resolution too soon and then drags into an hour or so of epilogue.)</p><p></p><p>Yep, I agree, this was a good add. Plus, we needed to see these Dire Hyena wargs, right? Oh, and worgs = D&D, wargs = Tolkien. Just a nit-pick from one Tolkien purist to another. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Another nit-pick: Tolkien said very clearly that it always was Barad-dur and Orthanc that he referred to when naming the Two Towers. That isn't a textual shift at all.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, but they come up at odd times, and you can't ever tell if it's a dream, a memory/flashback or something else. I actually coulda done without them, or have them done differently.</p><p></p><p>As I said earlier, Merry and Pippin essentially make cameos in this movie, as does Gandalf. Too bad, considering the essential plot roles they play in the book.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully more to this in the extended DVD. I coulda sworn I remembered the film-makers talking about Gimli and Eomer squaring off about Galadriel, too, but since they cut that from the theatrical version of FotR, it wouldn't make much sense in the theatrical version of TTT for Gimli to be going on and on about her. And I have mixed feelings about combining (sorta) the role of Eomer and Erkenbrand, although in some ways, at least, it beats introducing yet another new character who isn't developed.</p><p></p><p>Yes, but presumably it works for the revised plot that is the screenplay of RotK, even if it doesn't work precisely for the original text of that book. After all, Jackson has showed time and time again that Tolkien's version of Arwen just isn't good enough for his vision of the series.</p><p></p><p>Yes, that and the change in character of Theoden to a skulking worm who gets mad about Gondor not saving his bacon. I really don't see how they're going to get out of that one.</p><p></p><p>A dearth of black riders for too long is a bad idea. We don't want the audience to forget how scary they are, do we? And how do we know Sauron knows the ring is in Osgiliath? Frodo never actually wore the ring, and in the movie world, at least, he has to put it on before the Nazgul can effectively pinpoint him.</p><p></p><p>And yet you say the movie is better about showing the relationship between Aragorn and Eowyn than the book: this is one of the main ways they do that.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I think it was, although I'll need to see it at least three more times to tell for sure! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> At least it doesn't have any big, green Galadriel scenes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 536884, member: 2205"] [b]Re: Another review ...[/b] I didn't think that there were more changes -- FotR actually changed quite a bit. The biggest change for TTT was the chopping off of several parts of the movie and deferring them to RotK. Since RotK actually has a very long extended epilogue, which is bad film-making, this move actually makes sense. [b][/b] I still don't like the End Credits theme song, though. Maybe it'll grow on me... [b][/b] Agreed 100% [b][/b] Again, 100% behind you there. [b][/b] And you just [i]knew[/i] they were going to add it -- they already beefed up the action anyway. It was pretty fun. [b][/b] Actually, I really dislike the "cut-scene" action type. Pull the camera back a few feet and let us actually see what's going on! :mad: [b][/b] Eh. Yes and no. Jackson did a good job of it, but don't sell Tolkien short. He built this up quite a bit as well, in many more ways. I love Eowyn in the movie, though. Can't wait to see her put some smack-down on the Witch-king next year! :D [b][/b] There actually seemed to be fewer changes. In fact, I recognized a lot more dialogue that was word for word out of the book this time around. [b][/b] Yep. Not to mention the fact that without the spill-over, TTT is too long and RotK is too short (or has plot resolution too soon and then drags into an hour or so of epilogue.) [b][/b] Yep, I agree, this was a good add. Plus, we needed to see these Dire Hyena wargs, right? Oh, and worgs = D&D, wargs = Tolkien. Just a nit-pick from one Tolkien purist to another. :) [b][/b] Another nit-pick: Tolkien said very clearly that it always was Barad-dur and Orthanc that he referred to when naming the Two Towers. That isn't a textual shift at all. [b][/b] Yeah, but they come up at odd times, and you can't ever tell if it's a dream, a memory/flashback or something else. I actually coulda done without them, or have them done differently. [b][/b] As I said earlier, Merry and Pippin essentially make cameos in this movie, as does Gandalf. Too bad, considering the essential plot roles they play in the book. [b][/b] Hopefully more to this in the extended DVD. I coulda sworn I remembered the film-makers talking about Gimli and Eomer squaring off about Galadriel, too, but since they cut that from the theatrical version of FotR, it wouldn't make much sense in the theatrical version of TTT for Gimli to be going on and on about her. And I have mixed feelings about combining (sorta) the role of Eomer and Erkenbrand, although in some ways, at least, it beats introducing yet another new character who isn't developed. [b][/b] Yes, but presumably it works for the revised plot that is the screenplay of RotK, even if it doesn't work precisely for the original text of that book. After all, Jackson has showed time and time again that Tolkien's version of Arwen just isn't good enough for his vision of the series. [b][/b] Yes, that and the change in character of Theoden to a skulking worm who gets mad about Gondor not saving his bacon. I really don't see how they're going to get out of that one. [b][/b] A dearth of black riders for too long is a bad idea. We don't want the audience to forget how scary they are, do we? And how do we know Sauron knows the ring is in Osgiliath? Frodo never actually wore the ring, and in the movie world, at least, he has to put it on before the Nazgul can effectively pinpoint him. [b][/b] And yet you say the movie is better about showing the relationship between Aragorn and Eowyn than the book: this is one of the main ways they do that. [b][/B] Yes, I think it was, although I'll need to see it at least three more times to tell for sure! :D At least it doesn't have any big, green Galadriel scenes. [/QUOTE]
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