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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 3894996" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p>But he's not in his birth lands now is he? Nor is he in his stronghold, leading his followers or doing anything but proclaiming himself. In this situation he is a self proclaimed lord with nothing to back it up but his arrogance and willingness to attack people who "give him lip" by doing their jobs and obeying their own chain of command. If being treated as a lord was important to him, he should have arranged that with the actual lords when coming to the keep in the first place. Obviously he didn't, because when the real lords left, they didn't even think to leave any special instructions if you came back before they did. </p><p></p><p>As was pointed out by others, he could have defused the situation (as could the priestess) and instead chose to escalate it. If he actually has the skills of a lord, he chose not to use them, and chose the skills of a tyrant instead. </p><p></p><p>As for high level PCs gaining prestige, within a geographical area that's certainly possible, but we are not talking about the age of mass media here. Even if these people have heard of you, it's unlikely they've ever seen a picture and perfectly likely that they've heard of or expereinced people laying claim to deeds not theirs. Anyone can say "we did such and such" just as anyone can say "I am a LORD, you insolent whelp! Do as I say or I'll hit you!" </p><p></p><p>If you have ranks in diplomacy and secondarily Know : nobility and royalty, I suggest making a point when entering new situations of establishing yourself as a peer* of the highest ranked person there (in this case the lords) and <strong>then</strong> expecting deference. But taking that welcome for granted makes your character look, at best, like a spoiled noble brat, and at worst a tyrant in the making.</p><p></p><p>*an actual lord would know to always defer to the local lord even if his rank at home is greater. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm willing to take your DM's word on the npc reasoning actually. You are accusing the npcs of being bullies, but every account indicated that you were the ones bullying.</p><p></p><p>Before you tried to "command respect" via diplomacy, did you try to secure cooperation that way? If you had not been welcomed as a lord and accepted as that before you left, the lordly response would have been to treat the current head of the keep as a peer. Trying to seize command was a bad idea. If you were in charge of the keep and a 20th level adventurer who was KING in his land showed up and assumed that he was in charge of you, how would you respond? Badly I imagine. Maybe you would have been beaten as an insolent whelp. I can just imagine the thread we'd be reading then. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 3894996, member: 8439"] But he's not in his birth lands now is he? Nor is he in his stronghold, leading his followers or doing anything but proclaiming himself. In this situation he is a self proclaimed lord with nothing to back it up but his arrogance and willingness to attack people who "give him lip" by doing their jobs and obeying their own chain of command. If being treated as a lord was important to him, he should have arranged that with the actual lords when coming to the keep in the first place. Obviously he didn't, because when the real lords left, they didn't even think to leave any special instructions if you came back before they did. As was pointed out by others, he could have defused the situation (as could the priestess) and instead chose to escalate it. If he actually has the skills of a lord, he chose not to use them, and chose the skills of a tyrant instead. As for high level PCs gaining prestige, within a geographical area that's certainly possible, but we are not talking about the age of mass media here. Even if these people have heard of you, it's unlikely they've ever seen a picture and perfectly likely that they've heard of or expereinced people laying claim to deeds not theirs. Anyone can say "we did such and such" just as anyone can say "I am a LORD, you insolent whelp! Do as I say or I'll hit you!" If you have ranks in diplomacy and secondarily Know : nobility and royalty, I suggest making a point when entering new situations of establishing yourself as a peer* of the highest ranked person there (in this case the lords) and [b]then[/b] expecting deference. But taking that welcome for granted makes your character look, at best, like a spoiled noble brat, and at worst a tyrant in the making. *an actual lord would know to always defer to the local lord even if his rank at home is greater. I'm willing to take your DM's word on the npc reasoning actually. You are accusing the npcs of being bullies, but every account indicated that you were the ones bullying. Before you tried to "command respect" via diplomacy, did you try to secure cooperation that way? If you had not been welcomed as a lord and accepted as that before you left, the lordly response would have been to treat the current head of the keep as a peer. Trying to seize command was a bad idea. If you were in charge of the keep and a 20th level adventurer who was KING in his land showed up and assumed that he was in charge of you, how would you respond? Badly I imagine. Maybe you would have been beaten as an insolent whelp. I can just imagine the thread we'd be reading then. :eek: [/QUOTE]
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