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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 3901648" data-attributes="member: 8439">Actually the player said that he grabbed the npc and shoved him up against the wall. He became physically violent, escalating the situation from a mere verbal dispute.When "show respect" translates as "say your men were wrong to perform your duties, and accept your place as being subordinant to me in your own command"? Yeah, groveling before a tyrant is always an option. Accepting "your place" as a worm before the guy who can kill you is always an option. Abandoning your duty placed on you by a lawful lord is always an option.The main point of dispute in the thread, afaict, is what the Captain's place actually was. Certain people seem bound and determined to supercede the DM in his own gameworld and say that the captain was a mere commoner who owed absolute deference and subservience to any lord or priestess. The person actually running the game has made it perfectly clear that this is not the case - this was a captain, placed in command of the keep and not subject to the PCs' dicipline. His place was to defend his men against some idiot yelling at them for performing his duty. His place was to maintain his rights of command and not make himself subservient to a relative stranger in the keep. His place was also to act with some tact, but since the PCs failed that test as well, first last and most spectacularly, it's not a failing of the caste system that again does not exist in this DM's game to the extent folks are trying to impose it.It is possible that the Captain, if circumstances and diplomacy sufficed, could have said something along the lines of "I appologize for the harshness of my words to the priestess, but you are guests in a keep I command in my lord's absence, not the commanders here and I will thank you to remind your subordinants of that. I will thank you also to remember that when you lay hands on me, you lay hands on my lord, and while you may have the physical strength to murder me should I not defer to you, so do the vampires I'm pledged to hold this keep against. I will betray my lord's trust no more to you than I would to them." Then again, the PC could have started out by rebuking both the priestess for her churlishness and the captain for his harsh language instead of acting like he and his people are the rulers of a man who is effectively their host.But that's enough go round for me. Why not start a new thread on "Social order and Caste system in MY game" instead of keeping on trying to establish the one true way this DM should order his society?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

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