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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RealAlHazred" data-source="post: 6748607" data-attributes="member: 25818">Originally posted by Hellcow:Good points. The key thing as I see it is that there is no Universal Plan For Overlord Freedom. It's not as simple as destroying a Gatekeeper seal. Freeing an Overlord is a matter of manipulating the Prophecy in a certain direction - which is why it's taken the Lords of Dust tens of thousands of years to do. They CAN'T rush it. If Eldrantulku can only be freed when the firstborn son of Merrix d'Cannith (and does that mean a human child, or his first warforged creation?) slays the Last King of Breland at a specific battlefield in a specific year, then they've got to set all those things in motion. They have to make sure there IS a Merrix d'Cannith. They have to create tensions between dragonmarked houses and Breland to drive for battle between them - or otherwise engineer circumstances so one will kill the other at that specific place. Meanwhile, Katashka the Gatekeeper may only be freed when the Queen of the Dead restores the Lost Mark only to fall at the hand of the greatest child of the Line of Life (House Jorasco? The Undying Court?). The agents of Katashka may have thus been responsible for the original conflict between the line of Vol and Argonnessen, needing Erandis to be created, to have the mark BE lost, and even now they have an interest both in Vol regaining her mark and in helping the PCs defeat her... so that an even greater terror can rise from the ashes of her defeat.The first point is that there's no overall plan for the Lords of Dust, because each have very different paths to follow. The second is that it's entirely possible that the arrival/defeat/release of the daelkyr may be PART of one or more of their plans. The Voice In The Darkness is an Overlord of Madness herself, and as such it's quite possible that the actions of the daelkyr are tied to her release. So a servant of Katashka might consider the daelkyr to be foul interlopers that will be destroyed when his Overlord rises; while a servant of the Voice In The Darkness may consider that daelkyr to be both useful tools and things of beauty reflecting the visions of her Mistress. With all that said, if you want a truly epic threat, it's always possible to say that one overlord can release another... though luckily for the world, this didn't happen when the Shadow in the Flame was unleashed in Thrane centuries ago. Another side point is that human/goblin/elf civilization didn't even exist when the Overlords walked the world. As such, they have no attachment to it, and it makes little difference to them if the daelkyr destroy it before the Overlords return. It's entirely possible that it's REQUIRED for their release; the Rage of War could be released when a third great empire falls; the giants were number one, the Dhakaani were number two, and now it's humanity in Riedra or Khorvaire that have to go.Originally posted by Hellcow:Indeed. I think it's more likely that a Lord of Dust would assist the daelkyr in secret than actually engage in diplomatic relations with them. There's no reason a rakshasa can't appear to be, say, a mind flay - so what APPEARS to be a daelkyr cult (even to its members) could actually be serving the interests of both daelkyr AND LoD.</blockquote>

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