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Lorraine Williams: Is it Time for a Reevaluation?
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8436928" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Obviously, your use of all-caps indicates your correctness (or, at a minimum, your feelings about your correctness), but I would just mention-</p><p></p><p>Yes, Margaret Weis (that's one s- just noticing that if you're going to say someone is super famous and beloved, you might want to spell her name correctly). I think that this post dating back to 2011 illustrates the issue well-</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/gencons-guests-of-honor-unless-youre-margaret-weis-forget-it-ladies/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Margaret Weis, who is an amazing person and designer, is usually remembered as 1/2 of the creative duo- heck, remember the thread we had here about how the real creator of D&D that we play today is Tracy Hickman? So she usually get a wee bit less than 1/2 credit. </p><p></p><p>What about the rest? Jean Wells? The first female designer of TSR? She was the original Sage Advice, but not, sadly, we remember her for having her adventure pulped largely because of the art of Erol Otus and because people spread terrible rumors about her. She left the industry after that. </p><p></p><p>Darlene? Despite some iconic freelance art work (including the most beloved map in D&D history) her work was, at best, sporadic for TSR and discontinued by 1984. </p><p></p><p>Rose Estes? Has stated repeatedly that the TSR culture was not welcoming to women, and then left TSR after her stock option deal wasn't honored by Gary and the Blumes. She wrote again for them after the departure of Gygax and Williams was in charge.</p><p></p><p>It's just a bizarre for me to hear that women weren't marginalized to at least some extent in the gaming community in the 70s through the 90s. It's not that they weren't there at all, but a lot of people made it really, really tough for them. If you don't agree with that, maybe we had different experiences. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>And so on. Look, if you don't read some of those accounts with fresh eyes, I don't know what to tell you. I doubt anything will change your mind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8436928, member: 7023840"] Obviously, your use of all-caps indicates your correctness (or, at a minimum, your feelings about your correctness), but I would just mention- Yes, Margaret Weis (that's one s- just noticing that if you're going to say someone is super famous and beloved, you might want to spell her name correctly). I think that this post dating back to 2011 illustrates the issue well- [URL unfurl="true"]https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/gencons-guests-of-honor-unless-youre-margaret-weis-forget-it-ladies/[/URL] Margaret Weis, who is an amazing person and designer, is usually remembered as 1/2 of the creative duo- heck, remember the thread we had here about how the real creator of D&D that we play today is Tracy Hickman? So she usually get a wee bit less than 1/2 credit. What about the rest? Jean Wells? The first female designer of TSR? She was the original Sage Advice, but not, sadly, we remember her for having her adventure pulped largely because of the art of Erol Otus and because people spread terrible rumors about her. She left the industry after that. Darlene? Despite some iconic freelance art work (including the most beloved map in D&D history) her work was, at best, sporadic for TSR and discontinued by 1984. Rose Estes? Has stated repeatedly that the TSR culture was not welcoming to women, and then left TSR after her stock option deal wasn't honored by Gary and the Blumes. She wrote again for them after the departure of Gygax and Williams was in charge. It's just a bizarre for me to hear that women weren't marginalized to at least some extent in the gaming community in the 70s through the 90s. It's not that they weren't there at all, but a lot of people made it really, really tough for them. If you don't agree with that, maybe we had different experiences. And so on. Look, if you don't read some of those accounts with fresh eyes, I don't know what to tell you. I doubt anything will change your mind. [/QUOTE]
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