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Lorraine Williams: Is it Time for a Reevaluation?
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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8436934" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>My point is that there were OTHER women in the RPG community that were not vilified, and in some cases adored at least by the fans if not the company itself. </p><p></p><p>This isn't blinders, it's pointing out that disregarding those who saw these and experienced stuff personally are not going to be convinced by trying to tell them it was other than how they experienced it.</p><p></p><p>The Lawsuits and such are NOT things that just did not happen. The things that went against the fans had more than just one or two people affected.</p><p></p><p>There ARE things that TSR under Gygax and the Blumes did that may be similar and some items that people will hold against him either, but I'm not here specifically defending him right now (though I might later or in another thread), but specifically trying to point out that there are REASONS that Mrs. Williams was not liked by many. This is NOT a new thing like some are trying to paint. It actually started over 3 decades ago, and ignoring those reasons will make it impossible to actually do what I think would be a valid re-evaluation...as the thread calls for. </p><p></p><p>HOWEVER...as I also point out, I also see good in some of what she did (and perhaps, you guys are so focused on the negatives yourselves that you missed my post on that, pointing out something MUCH BIGGER in my opinion that what some have said about her regarding a positive than other posts in the thread).</p><p></p><p>Ignoring the positive items just as much will affect being able to do a re-evaluation as well. HOWEVER, if you ignore one side or the other you simply don't get a re-evaluation, you get junk that is completely ignoring one side of the equation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8436934, member: 4348"] My point is that there were OTHER women in the RPG community that were not vilified, and in some cases adored at least by the fans if not the company itself. This isn't blinders, it's pointing out that disregarding those who saw these and experienced stuff personally are not going to be convinced by trying to tell them it was other than how they experienced it. The Lawsuits and such are NOT things that just did not happen. The things that went against the fans had more than just one or two people affected. There ARE things that TSR under Gygax and the Blumes did that may be similar and some items that people will hold against him either, but I'm not here specifically defending him right now (though I might later or in another thread), but specifically trying to point out that there are REASONS that Mrs. Williams was not liked by many. This is NOT a new thing like some are trying to paint. It actually started over 3 decades ago, and ignoring those reasons will make it impossible to actually do what I think would be a valid re-evaluation...as the thread calls for. HOWEVER...as I also point out, I also see good in some of what she did (and perhaps, you guys are so focused on the negatives yourselves that you missed my post on that, pointing out something MUCH BIGGER in my opinion that what some have said about her regarding a positive than other posts in the thread). Ignoring the positive items just as much will affect being able to do a re-evaluation as well. HOWEVER, if you ignore one side or the other you simply don't get a re-evaluation, you get junk that is completely ignoring one side of the equation. [/QUOTE]
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