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Lorraine Williams: Is it Time for a Reevaluation?
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<blockquote data-quote="LordEntrails" data-source="post: 8437223" data-attributes="member: 6804070"><p>Says who? The only tales we have of such are from men who apparently resented her. Maybe they had a not bigoted reason for resenting her, but they certainly have never put forth such reasons.</p><p></p><p>Yea, this is just so much FOD. First, you later admit the employees were not banned from playtesting. The only reasons they were prevented from playtesting more, is that they had product to get out the door. Management did not give them sufficient time to playtest, or perform other quality processes. And yes, it did turn out poorly. But people continuing to imply that these management failures were because Lorraine didn't like gamers are simple speculating based upon opinions of people who did not like Lorraine.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, Men in the industry, who probably idolized Gary saw someone who did not. That someone was a woman. And you think Lorraine was the first to show hostility between her and her employees?</p><p></p><p>That's not shown to be true by the few factual stories we have. Instead, even the one quoted upthread, state something lie 'Lorraine was unfailingly polite.' Or she she 'apologized profusely but I avoided her from them on'.</p><p></p><p>Instead of showing a woman who bought a company and was immediately hostile instead shows a person who bought a company, tried to build professional relationships, but instead was denigrated and made fun of by her male employees. If that's who she thought "gamers" were, then of course she would think "gamers" who crude, rude, and undesirables.</p><p></p><p>But we will probably never know. Because human interactions are full of perceptions, and human memory is scientifically proven to be grossly inaccurate.</p><p></p><p>Actions reported by whom? By people who profess they hate her. People who have demonstrated bias against her. The only thing we don't know, is did they have those biases before they had meaningful interactions with her?</p><p></p><p>Says you. And perhaps irrelevant. There is no doubt her employees denigrated and undermined her. The only remaining question is if they did that with just cause or not.</p><p></p><p>Understood. And the purpose OF THIS THREAD is to allow people to question their own biases, and to determine if "what they know" is actually based upon sound reasoning or not.</p><p></p><p>Others have already pointed out that MANY OTHER WOMEN were mistreated by male gamers. And still are today.</p><p></p><p>REASONS that are SUSPECT. </p><p></p><p>REASONS that make one wonder if the people espousing those opinions are sexists or otherwise biased. I showed earlier in this thread, that one of those TSR employees obviously had a predisposed distaste for Lorraine, even though he gives no justifiable reason for his dislike. It seems to me, many of those sources you rely upon had a prejudice formed by something other than experience, because they certainly have not given any justifiable reasons for this distaste.</p><p></p><p>A sole proprietorship isn't much of a distinction. And, before the internet, during Gary's C&D escapades, their was no internet. There was no easily widespread way to share fan content except through fanzines that were published by companies. Companies that Gary had no reservations about sending C&D's to.</p><p></p><p>Yea, I don't think this phenomenon is well understood today, and how to protect IP during the beginning of the WWW certainly wasn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LordEntrails, post: 8437223, member: 6804070"] Says who? The only tales we have of such are from men who apparently resented her. Maybe they had a not bigoted reason for resenting her, but they certainly have never put forth such reasons. Yea, this is just so much FOD. First, you later admit the employees were not banned from playtesting. The only reasons they were prevented from playtesting more, is that they had product to get out the door. Management did not give them sufficient time to playtest, or perform other quality processes. And yes, it did turn out poorly. But people continuing to imply that these management failures were because Lorraine didn't like gamers are simple speculating based upon opinions of people who did not like Lorraine. Let's see, Men in the industry, who probably idolized Gary saw someone who did not. That someone was a woman. And you think Lorraine was the first to show hostility between her and her employees? That's not shown to be true by the few factual stories we have. Instead, even the one quoted upthread, state something lie 'Lorraine was unfailingly polite.' Or she she 'apologized profusely but I avoided her from them on'. Instead of showing a woman who bought a company and was immediately hostile instead shows a person who bought a company, tried to build professional relationships, but instead was denigrated and made fun of by her male employees. If that's who she thought "gamers" were, then of course she would think "gamers" who crude, rude, and undesirables. But we will probably never know. Because human interactions are full of perceptions, and human memory is scientifically proven to be grossly inaccurate. Actions reported by whom? By people who profess they hate her. People who have demonstrated bias against her. The only thing we don't know, is did they have those biases before they had meaningful interactions with her? Says you. And perhaps irrelevant. There is no doubt her employees denigrated and undermined her. The only remaining question is if they did that with just cause or not. Understood. And the purpose OF THIS THREAD is to allow people to question their own biases, and to determine if "what they know" is actually based upon sound reasoning or not. Others have already pointed out that MANY OTHER WOMEN were mistreated by male gamers. And still are today. REASONS that are SUSPECT. REASONS that make one wonder if the people espousing those opinions are sexists or otherwise biased. I showed earlier in this thread, that one of those TSR employees obviously had a predisposed distaste for Lorraine, even though he gives no justifiable reason for his dislike. It seems to me, many of those sources you rely upon had a prejudice formed by something other than experience, because they certainly have not given any justifiable reasons for this distaste. A sole proprietorship isn't much of a distinction. And, before the internet, during Gary's C&D escapades, their was no internet. There was no easily widespread way to share fan content except through fanzines that were published by companies. Companies that Gary had no reservations about sending C&D's to. Yea, I don't think this phenomenon is well understood today, and how to protect IP during the beginning of the WWW certainly wasn't. [/QUOTE]
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