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Lorraine Williams: Is it Time for a Reevaluation?
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8439906" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Nope.</p><p></p><p>Not it at all, again. </p><p></p><p>Here's something from a prior comment I made-</p><p><em>I keep circling back to the same point- these stories seem different now. Again, I wasn't there. I don't know what really happened. But I am very skeptical of these stories, especially given that a lot of these self-serving stories don't seem to hold up in the light of day, and in light of what we now know about gender dynamics in the workplace.</em></p><p></p><p>Before that-</p><p><em>Look, if you don't read some of those accounts with fresh eyes, I don't know what to tell you. </em></p><p></p><p>Before that-</p><p><em>I'm just no longer comfortable parroting the opinions I have heard about Lorraine Williams. When I look back at a lot of the stories about her, I find that many of them are either completely untrue on closer examination, are contested by other people, or are hearsay. More importantly, looking back at some of the "ha ha she's an evil witch and fat too" stories makes me deeply uncomfortable.</em></p><p></p><p>Follow?</p><p></p><p>I will make this explicit- if the issue I have been having is people trotting out the same, tired stories that almost always have the same, tired sexist comments that make me cringe reading them, why do you think that digging up another cringe-y comment is going to be better?</p><p></p><p>What? If you find a person who say, "Oh, she was evil, and REALLY fat" am I going to feel better about this? I don't think so.</p><p></p><p>Point being that there are precious few receipts; so googling additional sexist and uncorroborated comments isn't helpful. I</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you are comfortable digging up these comments and producing them as evidence ... hey, good for you. I can't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8439906, member: 7023840"] Nope. Not it at all, again. Here's something from a prior comment I made- [I]I keep circling back to the same point- these stories seem different now. Again, I wasn't there. I don't know what really happened. But I am very skeptical of these stories, especially given that a lot of these self-serving stories don't seem to hold up in the light of day, and in light of what we now know about gender dynamics in the workplace.[/I] Before that- [I]Look, if you don't read some of those accounts with fresh eyes, I don't know what to tell you. [/I] Before that- [I]I'm just no longer comfortable parroting the opinions I have heard about Lorraine Williams. When I look back at a lot of the stories about her, I find that many of them are either completely untrue on closer examination, are contested by other people, or are hearsay. More importantly, looking back at some of the "ha ha she's an evil witch and fat too" stories makes me deeply uncomfortable.[/I] Follow? I will make this explicit- if the issue I have been having is people trotting out the same, tired stories that almost always have the same, tired sexist comments that make me cringe reading them, why do you think that digging up another cringe-y comment is going to be better? What? If you find a person who say, "Oh, she was evil, and REALLY fat" am I going to feel better about this? I don't think so. Point being that there are precious few receipts; so googling additional sexist and uncorroborated comments isn't helpful. I If you are comfortable digging up these comments and producing them as evidence ... hey, good for you. I can't. [/QUOTE]
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