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Lorraine Williams: Is it Time for a Reevaluation?
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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8442744" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>I think the focus on hygiene was an internet meme (with the potential to have <em>some</em> basis in real life) to go along with body pillows, fedoras, basement-dwelling, and all the rest. I think Moonsong's point about crass, lack of self control, and creepy attitudes are more timeless. This is of course in the aggregate* rather than an absolute, and in some ways speaks to a potentially positive aspect of nerd-dom -- accepting people who don't have all the societal check-boxes ticked off*. Nerdy pastimes are a refuge to the person who doesn't get other people, or such and such societal norm, or when it is or isn't appropriate to make an off-color joke. Unsurprisingly there is a hard-to-define line somewhere between sympathetic levels of social maladaptation and <em>'seriously, you're making other people uncomfortable/feel unwelcome'</em>-levels, and it's really hard for a group to include one but not the other. Also, those people in nerd-dom who were picked on as teens that never got past that and use it as a sub-conscious justification for their own abusiveness***.</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">*there are plenty of people in nerd-dom who do not have any of these qualities</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">**admittedly often thereafter being absolutely horrible to each other for other completely arbitrary sub-distinctions within the social sub-group</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">***especially to other nerds. Man, are we sometimes worse to each other than anyone could ever be to us (and often for completely arbitrary hair-splitting gatekeeping reasons)! </span></em></p><p></p><p>Obviously I have no idea if any of the instances that inspired the LW-hates-gamers ideas were because of her reacting to gamers-acting-badly (and I've made clear my position that I'm not exactly trusting peoples' takes not at least written down at the time it happened), but I agree with the assessment that, y'know, sometimes we're really hard to love. </p><p></p><p>If it's Buck Rogers, that's been circling around in the back of entertainment new for a bit. Will be interesting to see what actually comes out at the end. I've never really had particularly strong opinions about Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, or John Carter, but the over concept of 'regular (if pretty awesome) Earth dude caught up in the machinations of larger space-culture conflict is a great premise. It'd be nice to see one or all of them return to popular imaginations. </p><p></p><p>Sorry to hear that people haven't been kind to your personal accounts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8442744, member: 6799660"] I think the focus on hygiene was an internet meme (with the potential to have [I]some[/I] basis in real life) to go along with body pillows, fedoras, basement-dwelling, and all the rest. I think Moonsong's point about crass, lack of self control, and creepy attitudes are more timeless. This is of course in the aggregate* rather than an absolute, and in some ways speaks to a potentially positive aspect of nerd-dom -- accepting people who don't have all the societal check-boxes ticked off*. Nerdy pastimes are a refuge to the person who doesn't get other people, or such and such societal norm, or when it is or isn't appropriate to make an off-color joke. Unsurprisingly there is a hard-to-define line somewhere between sympathetic levels of social maladaptation and [I]'seriously, you're making other people uncomfortable/feel unwelcome'[/I]-levels, and it's really hard for a group to include one but not the other. Also, those people in nerd-dom who were picked on as teens that never got past that and use it as a sub-conscious justification for their own abusiveness***. [I][SIZE=1]*there are plenty of people in nerd-dom who do not have any of these qualities **admittedly often thereafter being absolutely horrible to each other for other completely arbitrary sub-distinctions within the social sub-group ***especially to other nerds. Man, are we sometimes worse to each other than anyone could ever be to us (and often for completely arbitrary hair-splitting gatekeeping reasons)! [/SIZE][/I] Obviously I have no idea if any of the instances that inspired the LW-hates-gamers ideas were because of her reacting to gamers-acting-badly (and I've made clear my position that I'm not exactly trusting peoples' takes not at least written down at the time it happened), but I agree with the assessment that, y'know, sometimes we're really hard to love. If it's Buck Rogers, that's been circling around in the back of entertainment new for a bit. Will be interesting to see what actually comes out at the end. I've never really had particularly strong opinions about Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, or John Carter, but the over concept of 'regular (if pretty awesome) Earth dude caught up in the machinations of larger space-culture conflict is a great premise. It'd be nice to see one or all of them return to popular imaginations. Sorry to hear that people haven't been kind to your personal accounts. [/QUOTE]
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