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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7833039" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>I never made any comments about the criticism towards Williams as being sexist. And I never made any comments about why B3 was removed as being sexist. So what irony are you trying to ascribe to me?</p><p></p><p>And even if I did make comments complaining about how criticism towards Williams had to do with sexism, they are two different people with two different scenarios. So unless you're trying to argue that any criticism towards a women is sexist, I'm not sure why you'd imply there is irony.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that misogyny didn't exist back then. Of course it did. But that doesn't make <em>any and every</em> criticism towards a woman sexist.</p><p></p><p>I don't care if it was a woman or a man who pushed the original B3. The facts are that Egberts case brought a lot of unwanted attention to TSR and people were making connections with D&D and witchcraft (this is obvious because we have plenty of footage and reports of it, not to mention the direct words from people involved). The facts are that TSR directive before B3 were to make the game more kid friendly and avoid these connections (a claim backed up by pretty much everyone who was on staff at the time, including this comment by Steven Sullivan, a close friend of Jean's: "Wells designed <em>Palace of the Silver Princess</em> to her tastes, and with no regard for TSR’s mandate to make the game more kid-friendly."). Jean directly ignored this mandate because she wanted what she wanted. her gender is irrelevant. What did she think was gonna happen? And if the people of TSR refused to "give a woman a chance" like you're inferring, then why did they re-release her module sans the offending images? Seems pretty clear that they were less trying to prevent women from creating modules, and more trying to avoid S&M torture depictions in their games when the satanic panic was beginning to gain full momentum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7833039, member: 15700"] I never made any comments about the criticism towards Williams as being sexist. And I never made any comments about why B3 was removed as being sexist. So what irony are you trying to ascribe to me? And even if I did make comments complaining about how criticism towards Williams had to do with sexism, they are two different people with two different scenarios. So unless you're trying to argue that any criticism towards a women is sexist, I'm not sure why you'd imply there is irony. I'm not saying that misogyny didn't exist back then. Of course it did. But that doesn't make [I]any and every[/I] criticism towards a woman sexist. I don't care if it was a woman or a man who pushed the original B3. The facts are that Egberts case brought a lot of unwanted attention to TSR and people were making connections with D&D and witchcraft (this is obvious because we have plenty of footage and reports of it, not to mention the direct words from people involved). The facts are that TSR directive before B3 were to make the game more kid friendly and avoid these connections (a claim backed up by pretty much everyone who was on staff at the time, including this comment by Steven Sullivan, a close friend of Jean's: "Wells designed [I]Palace of the Silver Princess[/I] to her tastes, and with no regard for TSR’s mandate to make the game more kid-friendly."). Jean directly ignored this mandate because she wanted what she wanted. her gender is irrelevant. What did she think was gonna happen? And if the people of TSR refused to "give a woman a chance" like you're inferring, then why did they re-release her module sans the offending images? Seems pretty clear that they were less trying to prevent women from creating modules, and more trying to avoid S&M torture depictions in their games when the satanic panic was beginning to gain full momentum. [/QUOTE]
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