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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 5473480" data-attributes="member: 16285">If the DM tells the player there is an orc there then the PC can see it well enough to determine its race and thus has line of sight.3,5 rules - PHB pg 130 has a picture with clarifying text about drawing a line from anypart of one square to any part of another square and as long as it doesn't cross or pass through a square that blocks line of sight then there is line of sight.Don't confuse line of sight with line of effect or with the effects of cover.PHB pg 151 test in picture &quot;Lidda has line of sight to both orc and gnoll. Both recieve cover (one from a wall one from an ally of Lidda's).Concealment (PHB pg 152) doesn't block line of sight - total concealment does (that is in order to have total concealment your foe must not have line of sight).PHB pg 251 magic missile&quot;The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat or has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can’t be singled out. Inanimate objects are not damaged by the spell.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 5473480, member: 16285"] If the DM tells the player there is an orc there then the PC can see it well enough to determine its race and thus has line of sight. 3,5 rules - PHB pg 130 has a picture with clarifying text about drawing a line from anypart of one square to any part of another square and as long as it doesn't cross or pass through a square that blocks line of sight then there is line of sight. Don't confuse line of sight with line of effect or with the effects of cover. PHB pg 151 test in picture "Lidda has line of sight to both orc and gnoll. Both recieve cover (one from a wall one from an ally of Lidda's). Concealment (PHB pg 152) doesn't block line of sight - total concealment does (that is in order to have total concealment your foe must not have line of sight). PHB pg 251 magic missile "The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat or has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can’t be singled out. Inanimate objects are not damaged by the spell." [/QUOTE]

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