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<blockquote data-quote="Elvinis75" data-source="post: 1193706" data-attributes="member: 4379">The spell casting classes do get the shaft but it isn’t the total shaft that the PrC gets.&nbsp; The PrC spell casters still suffer disproportionably.&nbsp; Let’s look at some examples:The Cleric (15):The Cleric(5) + any PrC that adds +1 spellcaster level and other abilitiesw/ prereq Wisdom 13Both have 18 wisdomLoss of wisdom from curse is -6:The cleric casts at 15th level still has the ability to turn undead at full level.The PrC Cleric is treated as a 5th level cleric with no additional powers or feats for all of those levels.&nbsp; To make up for the loss of turning undead.Unless the PrC are not including the +1 spellcaster as skill gained as part of the PrC.&nbsp; I would think that it is.&nbsp; I will have to look at this when I get home.Looking at the Loremaster the spellcaster levels are gained as though going up one level of the wisard.&nbsp; But is that an ability gained as the loremaster and thus lost?&nbsp; I'm still not sure on this one.Wisards(PrC losses):Effective caster levelNumber of spell slots(if we are considering the +1 spellcaster level as lost)Remember that as a normal wisard you can memorize all those spells as a lower level until you are cured.Bards(Prc losses):Both lose their spells however,All inspiration and musical-magic abilities are lost by the PrC.Fighter,Barbarians PrCs... etc lose again in a disproportionate manner.Are there a lot or any PrC that use an attribute as a requirement?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elvinis75, post: 1193706, member: 4379"] The spell casting classes do get the shaft but it isn’t the total shaft that the PrC gets. The PrC spell casters still suffer disproportionably. Let’s look at some examples: The Cleric (15): The Cleric(5) + any PrC that adds +1 spellcaster level and other abilities w/ prereq Wisdom 13 Both have 18 wisdom Loss of wisdom from curse is -6: The cleric casts at 15th level still has the ability to turn undead at full level. The PrC Cleric is treated as a 5th level cleric with no additional powers or feats for all of those levels. To make up for the loss of turning undead. Unless the PrC are not including the +1 spellcaster as skill gained as part of the PrC. I would think that it is. I will have to look at this when I get home. Looking at the Loremaster the spellcaster levels are gained as though going up one level of the wisard. But is that an ability gained as the loremaster and thus lost? I'm still not sure on this one. Wisards(PrC losses): Effective caster level Number of spell slots(if we are considering the +1 spellcaster level as lost) Remember that as a normal wisard you can memorize all those spells as a lower level until you are cured. Bards(Prc losses): Both lose their spells however, All inspiration and musical-magic abilities are lost by the PrC. Fighter,Barbarians PrCs... etc lose again in a disproportionate manner. Are there a lot or any PrC that use an attribute as a requirement? [/QUOTE]

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