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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3985952" data-attributes="member: 2518"><p>We don't really know. While this is the premise of PoL there still can be big cities which are left from fallen empires (and there apparently were quite a lot of them in PoL). And in established campaign settings like FR you can't simply say that suddenly everyone is much weaker.</p><p></p><p>A spell-less dragon could concievably take over a city by sieging the place every few days for long enough. Sure the general might be a 15th level warlord, and the chief advisor a 13th lvl wizard, but when the regular army is 5th lvl fighters, a CR 15 brute dragon shouldn't have too much of a problem, especially if it burns the fields and homes of the neighboring country-side, reducing supplies and buchering the outlying populace.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Spell-less dragons are very vulnerable to attrition. It can't flee from the attackers very well and it has to heal naturally while the defenders clerics can simply heal the warlord. Sooner or later the dragon would be weakened enough so that it has to break off the siege and then it is hunted.</p><p></p><p>Wyrms of the North is indeed a collection of dragons in FR (Sword Coast to be specific). And while some dragons are special many of them are just average members of their species.</p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/wn/20041201a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/wn/20041201a</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would rather customize dragons right from the beginning and get more options from every splatbook than having to wait for a 4E Draconomicon.</p><p>Also if you like it or not, there will be a power creep in 4E and there will be overpowered abilities. With spells, the dragons can have a counter to them if needed. Without them the DM has to "cheat" that the dragon survives that attack.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Derren, post: 3985952, member: 2518"] We don't really know. While this is the premise of PoL there still can be big cities which are left from fallen empires (and there apparently were quite a lot of them in PoL). And in established campaign settings like FR you can't simply say that suddenly everyone is much weaker. A spell-less dragon could concievably take over a city by sieging the place every few days for long enough. Sure the general might be a 15th level warlord, and the chief advisor a 13th lvl wizard, but when the regular army is 5th lvl fighters, a CR 15 brute dragon shouldn't have too much of a problem, especially if it burns the fields and homes of the neighboring country-side, reducing supplies and buchering the outlying populace.[/quote] Spell-less dragons are very vulnerable to attrition. It can't flee from the attackers very well and it has to heal naturally while the defenders clerics can simply heal the warlord. Sooner or later the dragon would be weakened enough so that it has to break off the siege and then it is hunted. Wyrms of the North is indeed a collection of dragons in FR (Sword Coast to be specific). And while some dragons are special many of them are just average members of their species. [url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/wn/20041201a[/url] I would rather customize dragons right from the beginning and get more options from every splatbook than having to wait for a 4E Draconomicon. Also if you like it or not, there will be a power creep in 4E and there will be overpowered abilities. With spells, the dragons can have a counter to them if needed. Without them the DM has to "cheat" that the dragon survives that attack. [/QUOTE]
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