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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lackhand" data-source="post: 3996078" data-attributes="member: 36160">Why do we care how fast adventurers can cope with dragons? If adventurers are a dime a dozen, then there should be sufficient villain NPCs that some can be perverted to the dragon's ends, thus countering the OMG BROKEN player wizards. If not a dime-a-dozen, then they're rare enough that the dragon takes a few obvious precautions and call it quits; that the players can find and challenge the dragon is fine, as it allows the drake to enter the campaign.The magic dragons have is wholly unsuitable for defending themselves from players' spells; if they must prevent the specific scry/buff/teleport trifecta (which, I remind you, most other NPCs do not), surely it's better to just grant the entire race immunity to scrying?Disrupting mundane communication is not as easy as you seem to think that it is. Or rather, it's exactly as easy as Dragons are disempowered by replacing their spellcasting abilities with more thematic, specific powers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Secrecy: Live in a volcano. Seriously. Or in an area of natural mineral charged from the bowels of the earth, or in a cloud fortress made of storms, or at the spine of the world. These things block scrying. Or just make the damn race immune to scrying since, again, none of their spells really help with this.Contacts: Aaaah, double standard. Let's just say that people disagree with your assertion that the universal result of human/dragon contact is pitchforks and torches. The whole point of a _mastermind_ is that they manipulate people on whatever scale they like to get the end result: as soon as the dragon has followers on the personal scale, it can spin them into followers on the political scale."puppet ruler".As soon as the connection is found out, depending on context, the agent turns around and says "No, it is not so! It is you who are the slave to the dragon, and nobody trusts you anyway, in-league-with-devils wizard. Yeah, that's right, I went there. You think nobody noticed you opening gates to hell, trading with the dark infernals for powers beyond our ken? Burn the witch, she got into congress with the help of the devil!"See, even with proof or magical divination, a plausible bluff check or large swell of public sympathy can do a hell of a lot.I think that's about all I can say usefully on this subject. Good gaming!</blockquote>

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