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Loss of Innate Spellcasting (or 'How Dragons Build Lairs')
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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 3996295" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Not sure why I'm bothering at this point, but...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This seems to be the core of your complaint. Without this, the dragon can have low- to mid-level spellcasters and other minions to cover deficiencies in all other areas.</p><p></p><p>However, your assumption here seems wildly off base to me. The dragon has piles of money, a brilliant mind, centuries of knowledge, extraordinary social skills, and formidable combat prowess. All of these make it a very attractive patron. And against that you're setting--what? That the dragon isn't human? So what? Lots of people aren't human in D&D. Are you claiming that not one mid-level wizard would be tempted by such an offer?</p><p></p><p>"Hey, wizard. I want you to be my personal caster. You'll attend to the arcane defenses of my lair, and you'll send messages and teleport places when I need you to. In exchange, I'll provide you with lots of gold to buy books and lab equipment. I'll give you a place to carry on your experiments into forbidden magic, and if those pesky paladins keep bothering you, I'll eat them. I'll teach you what I've learned about magic in my five-hundred-year lifespan, and I'll show you how to be a little more charming so that cute sorceress will pay attention to you. And I'll even give you a good game of chess."</p><p></p><p>(As for how it delivers the offer, it kidnaps a peasant family. It gives one of the peasants fifty gold pieces and explains that he's to deliver a message to the local spellslinger. If the peasant delivers the message and returns promptly with a written reply, the dragon will give him another fifty gold pieces and send him home unharmed. If the peasant fails to deliver the message, the dragon will eat the other family members. Given the dragon's Intimidate and Bluff scores, it should not be hard to cow the fellow into delivering the message and coming back... of course, the dragon may eat the peasants anyway.)</p><p></p><p>Moreover, the dragon is not limited to human servants by any stretch of the imagination. My own example included several erinyes that the dragon obtained by making a deal with a pit fiend. The erinyes can <em>greater teleport</em> at will, which solves communications issues at a stroke. Of course, easy teleportation is probably--I hope!--gone in 4E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 3996295, member: 58197"] Not sure why I'm bothering at this point, but... This seems to be the core of your complaint. Without this, the dragon can have low- to mid-level spellcasters and other minions to cover deficiencies in all other areas. However, your assumption here seems wildly off base to me. The dragon has piles of money, a brilliant mind, centuries of knowledge, extraordinary social skills, and formidable combat prowess. All of these make it a very attractive patron. And against that you're setting--what? That the dragon isn't human? So what? Lots of people aren't human in D&D. Are you claiming that not one mid-level wizard would be tempted by such an offer? "Hey, wizard. I want you to be my personal caster. You'll attend to the arcane defenses of my lair, and you'll send messages and teleport places when I need you to. In exchange, I'll provide you with lots of gold to buy books and lab equipment. I'll give you a place to carry on your experiments into forbidden magic, and if those pesky paladins keep bothering you, I'll eat them. I'll teach you what I've learned about magic in my five-hundred-year lifespan, and I'll show you how to be a little more charming so that cute sorceress will pay attention to you. And I'll even give you a good game of chess." (As for how it delivers the offer, it kidnaps a peasant family. It gives one of the peasants fifty gold pieces and explains that he's to deliver a message to the local spellslinger. If the peasant delivers the message and returns promptly with a written reply, the dragon will give him another fifty gold pieces and send him home unharmed. If the peasant fails to deliver the message, the dragon will eat the other family members. Given the dragon's Intimidate and Bluff scores, it should not be hard to cow the fellow into delivering the message and coming back... of course, the dragon may eat the peasants anyway.) Moreover, the dragon is not limited to human servants by any stretch of the imagination. My own example included several erinyes that the dragon obtained by making a deal with a pit fiend. The erinyes can [i]greater teleport[/i] at will, which solves communications issues at a stroke. Of course, easy teleportation is probably--I hope!--gone in 4E. [/QUOTE]
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