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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7742559" data-attributes="member: 996">I had occasion to stat out Gandalf (OK, a Gandalf parody, Vastgulf Mythreindeer) in AD&amp;D, 3.5 and 4e, each time using the conceit that he was a '5th level magic user.'&nbsp;&nbsp; In AD&amp;D he was a 5th level human magic-user, who had previously been a 9th level fighter, and had rolled improbably well for his stats - and even more improbably well for his psionics (and probably could've taken the Type VI demon in psionic combat, but the party never got that far, they got bogged down fighting orcs in Moria).&nbsp; In 3.5 he was a 5th level Wizard - half-celestial (a +5 LA race) - and the Balor inevitably TPK'd 'em.&nbsp; In both cases he was decked out with the requisite Glamdring, Staff of the Magi and Ring of Fire Elemental Command.&nbsp; In 4e he was a 5th level Deva Wizard - and the party did manage to fight their way past a 'Balor Shade' (a 'Balor Husk,' an undead demon, converted from 17th level elite to the equivalent 12th level Solo - the Balor Husk was a surprise, it evoked the 'creature of shadow &amp; fire' thing nicely).I felt both Half-Celestial and Deva captured Maiar, conceptually, better than cleric.&nbsp; And what did Gandalf (or anyone in genre, really) ever do that was at all D&amp;D-Cleric-like?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7742559, member: 996"] I had occasion to stat out Gandalf (OK, a Gandalf parody, Vastgulf Mythreindeer) in AD&D, 3.5 and 4e, each time using the conceit that he was a '5th level magic user.' In AD&D he was a 5th level human magic-user, who had previously been a 9th level fighter, and had rolled improbably well for his stats - and even more improbably well for his psionics (and probably could've taken the Type VI demon in psionic combat, but the party never got that far, they got bogged down fighting orcs in Moria). In 3.5 he was a 5th level Wizard - half-celestial (a +5 LA race) - and the Balor inevitably TPK'd 'em. In both cases he was decked out with the requisite Glamdring, Staff of the Magi and Ring of Fire Elemental Command. In 4e he was a 5th level Deva Wizard - and the party did manage to fight their way past a 'Balor Shade' (a 'Balor Husk,' an undead demon, converted from 17th level elite to the equivalent 12th level Solo - the Balor Husk was a surprise, it evoked the 'creature of shadow & fire' thing nicely). I felt both Half-Celestial and Deva captured Maiar, conceptually, better than cleric. And what did Gandalf (or anyone in genre, really) ever do that was at all D&D-Cleric-like? [/QUOTE]

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