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<blockquote data-quote="RainOfSteel" data-source="post: 3353708" data-attributes="member: 24460"><p>Gandalf may not have been the powerhouse Sauron was, having a portfolio of Wisdom instead of Fire, but he was a lesser god, a Maia, just like Sauron and Saruman.</p><p></p><p>Once Gandalf was given a new body by the Valar after the battle with the Balrog, he was most certainly more powerful than Saruman.</p><p></p><p>How do you think he broke Saruman's staff so easily? It wasn't because Saruman was broken, it was because Gandalf had been raised up.</p><p></p><p>What, you say? Why didn't he attack Sauron or the Nazgul*? The last time Vala and Maia battled Vala and Maia, a large sub-continent size chunk of land sank into the sea. The time before that, the existing world-continent was broken in half. The Valar were trying to avoid a repeat, and the wizards were under orders to avoid it. Exactly where the line was, nobody knew, but they were trying to avoid further discovery.</p><p></p><p>*Gandalf almost went head to head with the Witch King in tRotK, if not for Pippin yanking him away to save Faramir, it probably would have happened. Gandalf didn't seem worried about the outcome, either. It was probably fated, just so the confrontation didn't happen.</p><p></p><p>----------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>Elminster and Gandalf fighting?</p><p></p><p>Ridiculous.</p><p></p><p>If, improbably, they would even meet, they'd both take out their pipes and start blowing smoke-shapes and talk about life, the universe, and everything. Elminster would pick up fireworks knowledge, and Gandalf would probably pick up on gardening so he could grow his own pipe weed, of which he was quite fond.</p><p></p><p>Oh, but in any event, I put my money on a lesser god, even one with a portfolio of Wisdom, vs. a tricked-out DMNPC.</p><p></p><p>----------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really. At Amon Sul Frodo called upon Varda. He got an answer. 00 on a role for Divine Intervention. I'm not surprised the Ringwraigths were knocked back on their heels, it was the equivalent of being severely sight-blinded with hallowed power. They were unavoidably stunned (undead or not), and probably suffered from further deleterious effects beyond that.</p><p></p><p>I would not be surprised if it took them days to recover.</p><p></p><p>Too bad the movie skipped that little bit.</p><p></p><p>The Ringwraiths were only beginning to come into their power in tFotR.</p><p></p><p>Later on in tTT and tRotK, they were far more fearsome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RainOfSteel, post: 3353708, member: 24460"] Gandalf may not have been the powerhouse Sauron was, having a portfolio of Wisdom instead of Fire, but he was a lesser god, a Maia, just like Sauron and Saruman. Once Gandalf was given a new body by the Valar after the battle with the Balrog, he was most certainly more powerful than Saruman. How do you think he broke Saruman's staff so easily? It wasn't because Saruman was broken, it was because Gandalf had been raised up. What, you say? Why didn't he attack Sauron or the Nazgul*? The last time Vala and Maia battled Vala and Maia, a large sub-continent size chunk of land sank into the sea. The time before that, the existing world-continent was broken in half. The Valar were trying to avoid a repeat, and the wizards were under orders to avoid it. Exactly where the line was, nobody knew, but they were trying to avoid further discovery. *Gandalf almost went head to head with the Witch King in tRotK, if not for Pippin yanking him away to save Faramir, it probably would have happened. Gandalf didn't seem worried about the outcome, either. It was probably fated, just so the confrontation didn't happen. ---------------------------------------------- Elminster and Gandalf fighting? Ridiculous. If, improbably, they would even meet, they'd both take out their pipes and start blowing smoke-shapes and talk about life, the universe, and everything. Elminster would pick up fireworks knowledge, and Gandalf would probably pick up on gardening so he could grow his own pipe weed, of which he was quite fond. Oh, but in any event, I put my money on a lesser god, even one with a portfolio of Wisdom, vs. a tricked-out DMNPC. ---------------------------------------------- Not really. At Amon Sul Frodo called upon Varda. He got an answer. 00 on a role for Divine Intervention. I'm not surprised the Ringwraigths were knocked back on their heels, it was the equivalent of being severely sight-blinded with hallowed power. They were unavoidably stunned (undead or not), and probably suffered from further deleterious effects beyond that. I would not be surprised if it took them days to recover. Too bad the movie skipped that little bit. The Ringwraiths were only beginning to come into their power in tFotR. Later on in tTT and tRotK, they were far more fearsome. [/QUOTE]
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