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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William drake" data-source="post: 3356483" data-attributes="member: 49143">I dont know who, but someone said that Gandalf wasn't week because he took down the Balrog...and if anyone's read the book, they know that Gandalf didn't even know what it was, it was Legolas that had to tell him. That point aside, ok, its a Balrog: does that mean its a D&D Balrog with all the spells and abilities...all we know is that it had a wip and sword of fire, it could fly and it was a demon. That's it, you cant just go throwing in other powers because since then D&D has added new things to the Balrog.Ok, also, Gandalf was not a GOD...he may have been Godly, or Godlike since there were only a few beings able to do magic. Also, like Ive said before. The world is a much toned down place; very few times was magic even used, and if was, it wasn't as powerful as one would've thought a Godly, or Godlike being could have used. This is why I say Gandalf, nor Saruman, or Sauron were GODS..they wern't they were just much more wise and powerful than the middleages world they lived in. I mean, light, and raising the water of a river were some of their most powerful effects.And I know somwhere I said somethign about someone saying "why didn't they just Teleport in" WHO SAID THEY KNEW HOW? I know that in the D&D Rolepaying book they prob have that spell, but who said that they had it as they were writen? You have to take into the context of the world, just howpowerful these beings were. Yes they were ages old, and wise and powerful, but not to the extent that We, as gamers now think. Magic, to a much lesser extent was all but dead in Middle Earth, so if someone can turn on or off a light comming from nowhere in a room, then they are powerful. If someone can speak to birds or other animals, they are powerful.I mean, in the movie they made Saruman shake the mountain down atop the group, but in the book it never says for sure that it was him, someone in the party, to my memory, just heard voices in the wind. Now I think that was Tolkien just making the wind more discriptive rather than implying that Saruman, or anyone was using their power against them. And even it were true that Saruman did do that, that doesn't mean that he can fly or teleport, or summon demons or whatever. You can just give these charcters power, you only know what is said, and from that only can you aruge.Now, I know that everyone keeps aruging about the stupid Eagles, and I know Tolkien did't add a whole nother chapter of pointless dialog where the people at the councile aruged it out, but lets just assume, that, like in any other movies, or books, you are reading what is the important things, the parts of the long and indepth discussion that is relative to the book. I mean, the eagles were still birds..what if they were like "hell no, do you know whats in there?" I mean, why not like the sstandard evil place, animals just don't go there. In most stories evil places are baren, theres no life of anykind: plants or animals...so the eagles prob weren't an option because of that.Someone else wrote, to the effect of "why was the dwarf even there?" I often wonder the same thing. I never really cared for the dwarves, the only one was gimliy, and the few at the meeting that didn't speak, the others were dead. My answer is just flavor. Why did Elrond or anyone else there allow the hobbits to go "because it was fated" the story was about myth, and you just go with it. That was there world. Also, its a story. It had meaning, it wasn't a game, it had a lesson to teach, it wasn't just "complet the task at hand" The one thing I did hate, is that no one ever said anything to Legolas about his people leaving the world and not helping, no one ever gave Elrond <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> about not killing the king in the volcano that day, not even Gandalf. And yes, it was cool in the movie that the Elves showed up at the battle in Rhond, but in the book no one came. and later it was only Legolas and a two of Elronds sons that went to the final battles. What I also didnt like in the movie, was that if Peter Jackson deciced that the Elves showed up at Rhohan, then why were there none later: what, did they all get killed off?I dont know about you, but soe times the perfection of the elves got annoying, they could walk on snow without falling threw, they could out see anyone, were quiet, and could out drink even the dwarves. They were just the best, and no real reason for it, and then they were just leaving.This is why many people don't think that Tolkien was the best to first show the world widly the things writen well before he was born.</blockquote>

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