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<blockquote data-quote="molonel" data-source="post: 3357490" data-attributes="member: 10412"><p>Flatterer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're missing the point.</p><p></p><p>I've had this EXACT same argument with Frank Miller fanboys.</p><p></p><p>The reason Batman won against Superman in The Dark Knight Returns is because Frank Miller wanted him to. Not because it was logical, or he thought through all the possible options and it seemed the most sensible, or absolutely no other ending made sense.</p><p></p><p>It happened that way because he wanted it to.</p><p></p><p>If Tolkien had wanted the ring flown to Mt. Doom on the back of an eagle, it would have happened that way. And nothing could have stopped it. Not Sauron, not a thousand orcs with bows, and no, not even the Nine on their fell beasts.</p><p></p><p>Because it's a fantasy. A well-written fantasy? Sure. A perfect, every-hole-stopped, flawless or nearly flawless work of staggering perfection unequalled by anything ever penned by the hand of men? No.</p><p></p><p>It's called Traveling at the Speed of Plot:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot" target="_blank">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot</a></p><p></p><p>It came from a quip by J Michael Straczynski when asked about the traveling speed of the Excalibur. Basically, he said, it moves at the speed of plot.</p><p></p><p>Which means: exactly as fast as he wants it to.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, the best and only argument as to why they didn't fly the ring to Mt. Doom on the back of an eagle is because, "That's not the way Señor Tolkien wanted to write it."</p><p></p><p>And to this, there is no counter-argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I shouldn't have to explain these things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tolkien wasn't wrong in that, either. Gnomes and elves are distinct, very different races in D&D. This was not always the case in classical literature and myth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="molonel, post: 3357490, member: 10412"] Flatterer. You're missing the point. I've had this EXACT same argument with Frank Miller fanboys. The reason Batman won against Superman in The Dark Knight Returns is because Frank Miller wanted him to. Not because it was logical, or he thought through all the possible options and it seemed the most sensible, or absolutely no other ending made sense. It happened that way because he wanted it to. If Tolkien had wanted the ring flown to Mt. Doom on the back of an eagle, it would have happened that way. And nothing could have stopped it. Not Sauron, not a thousand orcs with bows, and no, not even the Nine on their fell beasts. Because it's a fantasy. A well-written fantasy? Sure. A perfect, every-hole-stopped, flawless or nearly flawless work of staggering perfection unequalled by anything ever penned by the hand of men? No. It's called Traveling at the Speed of Plot: [url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot[/url] It came from a quip by J Michael Straczynski when asked about the traveling speed of the Excalibur. Basically, he said, it moves at the speed of plot. Which means: exactly as fast as he wants it to. Ultimately, the best and only argument as to why they didn't fly the ring to Mt. Doom on the back of an eagle is because, "That's not the way Señor Tolkien wanted to write it." And to this, there is no counter-argument. Then I shouldn't have to explain these things. Tolkien wasn't wrong in that, either. Gnomes and elves are distinct, very different races in D&D. This was not always the case in classical literature and myth. [/QUOTE]
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