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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 3357886" data-attributes="member: 2477">I understand the point that the author can do whatever he wants. But that's a seperate arguement from whether the eagles could have done it in the context of what is written. Do you want to argue that the eagles could logically have performed the mission, and it was silly for the Council not to, or do you want to argue that "Tolkien decided they wouldn't", because frankly the last isn't an arguement. Could the eagles have flown into Mordor? Only if Tolkien wanted. Could Superman beat Batman? Only if the Authors wanted.You're mixing two different streams of thought, and using the superman-batman arguement to try to prove something that is totally different. Is Superman more powerful than Batman, sure. Does that mean Batman can't beat Superman? of course not. 99% of the time, Superman might win, but the author can write about that 1%.That doesn't matter where the eagles are concerned though, because you're not argueing Plot Is King, you're saying that the ONLY reason the eagles couldn't work was because of Plot, rather than accepting the idea that within the text as written, it was obvious to those within that the Eagles were not a workable plan.Just as there is no counter to the statement that "the only reason the eagles could have made it into Mordor is if tolkien wanted to write it". I don't see any value to that non-discussion, I thought the matter was about whether the Eagles in Mordor solution made sense within the work as written.Explain what? That Superman is more powerful than Batman and therefor Giant Eagles can fly into Mordor? If that makes sense to you, then you need to explain it better, because I think you're confusing two seperate issues.</blockquote>

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