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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 3361097" data-attributes="member: 2477">You mean at all, or in the specific event of showing up at the gate, or what?So you don't think they are divine at all? Just big eagles that happened to wander into history?And once more you insert the God Author thing when talking about the text.We have no evidence of those capabilities. Certainly they are capable, but being able to outfly anything?Or so you theorize, thats sort of the point of the arguement, nothing in the text says they can enter Mordor, just as nothing says they can't. You assume it's a plothole, I figure there's a reason. The arguement will never be settled simply because it's a matter of opinion.The Author always chooses, so once again it's a non-arguement to say the author chooses. He chose them to exist at all, he chose them to rescue Frodo & Sam.It does not mean the conclusion was not logical. A direct stroke was ruled out as too risky, stealth was required. Was that the only course? Obviously not, but it's the one the Council chose. The lack of the matter being addressed within the text simply means it is not addressed, not that either position is correct.This isn't a quantifiable problem, simply because we don't know what the eagles are capable of, or what defenses vs the eagles may have been in place. All we know is that they didn't enter Mordur while Sauron was in control of it. Was it their decision not to? Perhaps, but then they can also decide not to drop the ring. Were they for some reason incapable of entering? Who knows.Anyway, since you obviously want to continue the circular arguement ad infinitum, I'll pick it up from here Monday, since I work this weekend.</blockquote>

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