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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 587222" data-attributes="member: 2525">I think you misunderstood what I meant by &quot;still reading&quot;.&nbsp; I've read every book that has come out so far.&nbsp; I meant I intend to continue reading them as they come out.&nbsp; However, I disagree with you on those Starks who remain alive - most are not heros or particularly ethical in their actions, though a few might turn out to be.&nbsp; Right now, most are just neutral - trying to survive.I don't think real life is full moral gray areas, not in the context we are discussing in this thread.&nbsp; If you do find life to be full of mass murderers, rapists, and torturers, then I feel sorry for you and your family.&nbsp; And that is what we are talking about here - not people cheating on their taxes or driving 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, but seriously evil people (regardless of the context of their lives).Again, I am troubled by the lack of characters I empathize with, characters I want to see excel.&nbsp; I want the Starks to live, but not all that much.&nbsp; They are for the most part a bunch of brats who have lived spoiled lives, and who show little sign of ethical and strong leadership abilities.&nbsp; In any other book, they might even be the antagonists.&nbsp; But in a sea of truly evil characters, they come out as the best of the worst.&nbsp; Again, Jon Snow seems to be the character that offers to most hope for me, and he hasn't been in it all that much.&nbsp; He is the one that seems least focused on an &quot;ends justify the means&quot; mentality.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 587222, member: 2525"] I think you misunderstood what I meant by "still reading". I've read every book that has come out so far. I meant I intend to continue reading them as they come out. However, I disagree with you on those Starks who remain alive - most are not heros or particularly ethical in their actions, though a few might turn out to be. Right now, most are just neutral - trying to survive. I don't think real life is full moral gray areas, not in the context we are discussing in this thread. If you do find life to be full of mass murderers, rapists, and torturers, then I feel sorry for you and your family. And that is what we are talking about here - not people cheating on their taxes or driving 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, but seriously evil people (regardless of the context of their lives). Again, I am troubled by the lack of characters I empathize with, characters I want to see excel. I want the Starks to live, but not all that much. They are for the most part a bunch of brats who have lived spoiled lives, and who show little sign of ethical and strong leadership abilities. In any other book, they might even be the antagonists. But in a sea of truly evil characters, they come out as the best of the worst. Again, Jon Snow seems to be the character that offers to most hope for me, and he hasn't been in it all that much. He is the one that seems least focused on an "ends justify the means" mentality. [/QUOTE]

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