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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brown Jenkin" data-source="post: 633006" data-attributes="member: 2572">Yes the elves were first race, but Tolkien did not consider men to be second to them. When Eru (The one god) created the world for the Valar, the Valar (What are considered the gods) knew of its fate and the coming of the First race (the Elves). Eru though wanted them to be surprised so he also created men who the Valar would not know of or about. Yes men are not immortal, but that is not all there is to being poweful. Tolkien intentionaly left man an enigma that was capable of both greatness and weakness. The average human is certainly weaker than the average elf, but Aragorn is not an average man. The best of humans though are better than the average elf. Beren was able to retreive a Silmaril from Melkor's crown, a task that the elves had fought many wars over and always failed. Bard killed Smaug, if the average elf was able to kill a dragon they would have been extinct long ago. Further proving this point Glaurung the dragon led the army that destroyed Nargothrond, It took the great Turin to defeat him. It is only the best of both Men and Elves that can kill a dragon. It was Isildur who cut the ring from Sauron's hand, and it was Aragorn (as Isildur's hier) who inspired enough fear in Sauron to launch his attack early before he was ready. Galadriel feared Sauron's gaze, while Aragorn not only looked into Sauron's Eye but ripped the Palantir from his power. It is as much Beren's blood as the elf blood in his viens that make Aragorn as powerful as he is. No in Tolkiens world the best of men are not only more powerful than the average elf, they are equals to the greatest of them.I do not dispute what tolkien was showing in the destruction of the ring and the role of the hobbits. My point was that if the average elf is more powerful than the greatest of men then the elves surely would be able to stop the armies of Mordor without a problem. It is not that I believe this, but if PJ makes Arwen who has shown no fighting skills or even alluded to them an equal to Aragorn on the field of battle, then questions about how powerful Aragorn really is are raised. No I believe that Aragorn and men are powerful and that it is this power that saves Gondor (at least from the first asault). Yes it is only by the mental strength of a couple of halflings that Sauron himself is overthrown.[Edit: Spelling]</blockquote>

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