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<blockquote data-quote="Merlin the Tuna" data-source="post: 4196226" data-attributes="member: 55638">...You realize that neither of your examples is usable in the slightest without a &quot;PLEASE MAKE THIS WORK&quot; fix of a PrC from a splatbook?&nbsp; It's kind of a shoddy approach to discussing problems with the core multi-classing mechanic given that a 4e Rogue with Arcane Initiate seems to be approximately a bajillion times closer to your character concept than a 3.5 Rogue/Wizard that pokes at people with a flimsy dagger held by his weak girly arms.&nbsp; Seriously, your BAB is typically going to be the same as a Wizard, or potentially worse.&nbsp; (Hooray for Rogue 1/Wizard 1!)&nbsp; Even if you could hit something, your sneak attack stays as unimpressive as your caster level, which puts your damage output at &quot;miserable,&quot; improving to &quot;unremarkable&quot; in ideal circumstances.&nbsp; Your HP is going to be halfway between &quot;paper sack&quot; and &quot;wet paper sack.&quot;But at least you've got Trap Sense and Summon Familiar, right?The characters you describe are catastrophes in the 3E core rulesets.&nbsp; Are they fantastic in the 4e one?&nbsp; Maybe not.&nbsp; But they appear to be workable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Merlin the Tuna, post: 4196226, member: 55638"] ...You realize that neither of your examples is usable in the slightest without a "PLEASE MAKE THIS WORK" fix of a PrC from a splatbook? It's kind of a shoddy approach to discussing problems with the core multi-classing mechanic given that a 4e Rogue with Arcane Initiate seems to be approximately a bajillion times closer to your character concept than a 3.5 Rogue/Wizard that pokes at people with a flimsy dagger held by his weak girly arms. Seriously, your BAB is typically going to be the same as a Wizard, or potentially worse. (Hooray for Rogue 1/Wizard 1!) Even if you could hit something, your sneak attack stays as unimpressive as your caster level, which puts your damage output at "miserable," improving to "unremarkable" in ideal circumstances. Your HP is going to be halfway between "paper sack" and "wet paper sack." But at least you've got Trap Sense and Summon Familiar, right? The characters you describe are [i]catastrophes[/i] in the 3E core rulesets. Are they fantastic in the 4e one? Maybe not. But they appear to be workable. [/QUOTE]

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