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<blockquote data-quote="katahn" data-source="post: 4198242" data-attributes="member: 65004"><p>Actually, it was in response to "now you're stuck with a bad feat choice for a power". You aren't stuck with anything, you can always retrain feats and thus drop a bad multiclass option if desired.</p><p></p><p>The benefit of the feat is being allowed to do something your character could not previously do. Without a feat, you cannot choose 1 of your daily, encounter, or utility abilities from another class list. Without a feat you cannot select other feats that have a prerequisite class that is different from yours. The feat pays the "opportunity cost" that says "ok now you can pick from this list of stuff for your standard alotment of powers too". I find that perfectly balanced.</p><p></p><p>What I would find unbalanced would be just being able to take additional powers, or being able to completely select all powers in a category from a list of powers not in your base class. The former is just adding new powers, in effect giving more power to the multiclass than the single class enjoys. The latter if taken to its extreme begs the question of why one didn't just create a character of the class one has taken all of the abilities from. The only reason I can think of is to get better starting hit points, more healing surges, and quite possibly more skills. That strikes me of munchkining rather than role-playing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because multiclassing is not supposed to make a more powerful character, it makes a more rounded and versatile one. Compared to a single-class character a multiclass character is going to be somewhat less powerful and/or have fewer options within their primary class's core role. This is balanced against them having abilities that are otherwise absolutely not available to their primary class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="katahn, post: 4198242, member: 65004"] Actually, it was in response to "now you're stuck with a bad feat choice for a power". You aren't stuck with anything, you can always retrain feats and thus drop a bad multiclass option if desired. The benefit of the feat is being allowed to do something your character could not previously do. Without a feat, you cannot choose 1 of your daily, encounter, or utility abilities from another class list. Without a feat you cannot select other feats that have a prerequisite class that is different from yours. The feat pays the "opportunity cost" that says "ok now you can pick from this list of stuff for your standard alotment of powers too". I find that perfectly balanced. What I would find unbalanced would be just being able to take additional powers, or being able to completely select all powers in a category from a list of powers not in your base class. The former is just adding new powers, in effect giving more power to the multiclass than the single class enjoys. The latter if taken to its extreme begs the question of why one didn't just create a character of the class one has taken all of the abilities from. The only reason I can think of is to get better starting hit points, more healing surges, and quite possibly more skills. That strikes me of munchkining rather than role-playing. Because multiclassing is not supposed to make a more powerful character, it makes a more rounded and versatile one. Compared to a single-class character a multiclass character is going to be somewhat less powerful and/or have fewer options within their primary class's core role. This is balanced against them having abilities that are otherwise absolutely not available to their primary class. [/QUOTE]
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