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<blockquote data-quote="Zinovia" data-source="post: 4036936" data-attributes="member: 57373"><p>From the time I first heard about 4E, I've moved from being highly dubious about yet another version being published, to cautiously optimistic and pre-ordering the books. I'm looking forward to reading more about the game after the D&D Experience at the end of the month. Sadly I can't attend, as we're involved with running the World Science Fiction Convention this year. Still, I'm hoping for some reviews and solid information about the game to come out at that point. </p><p></p><p>Having changed my mind all the way from "You've got to be kidding!" to "June can't come soon enough", clearly the marketing of the P&P aspect of the game is working for me. I've enjoyed the articles we've seen so far that are revealing aspects of the game mechanics. I greatly appreciated some of the playtesters coming forward with their opinions on the game - even if they were told to only say positive things. That doesn't diminish in any way the positive things they *did* have to say. They could have said nothing at all. Instead I'm thrilled to hear that many of the flaws in the current system seem to have been addressed. Even if they added dragonborn with boobs. What's with that? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>My concerns about marketing lie more with the D&DI content. I feel that the free preview is a good idea in principle, but it's failing to win me over. I use Macs. WotC is using DirectX as an engine for the character generator and virtual tabletop, so those of us who don't have Windows boxes will not receive that portion of the D&DI content. I'm not here to cry about how they should port it to Mac. Leave that aside for now. All I'm saying is that there is one major chunk of what we're supposed to get for our monthly subscription that I have zero access to. </p><p></p><p>So what else do we get with D&DI? Dungeon and Dragon magazines. Okay... but where's the beef? There have been some nice adventures in Dungeon, and I've enjoyed some of the design articles in Dragon, but there hasn't been anything like a complete issue of Dragon published in all this time, and the other articles in Dungeon aren't being written either. Deadlines seem to be going unmet, and there simply isn't much content coming out at all. There's not enough there now to justify the monthly fee. Promises that there will be more content later are hard to believe. You're asking us to buy a pig in a poke. </p><p></p><p>Nothing I have heard or read has persuaded me that it will be worth paying any kind of fee for D&DI. Not to get the VTT system and Character generator that I can't use on my computers. Not to get magazines that have been short on content and big on missed deadlines. </p><p></p><p>I'm in fact gravely concerned that the only access I'll have to rules updates and additional content will be through D&DI. I don't want to pay for something when 90% of the stuff we're supposed to be paying for isn't there or is unusable to me. People have dropped comments about how "That'll be out in D&DI after the game is released" (paraphrased - not an actual quote). That worries me. What are those of us who might pay to unlock our ebooks, but not subscribe going to do? Will we get that stuff with the ebook? D&DI is not going to be an appropriate means of releasing errata, since it will be subscription based. </p><p></p><p>I'm looking forward to 4E, but you have a lot of work to do with the electronic stuff. I'm still open to being persuaded, but I'm not presently optimistic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zinovia, post: 4036936, member: 57373"] From the time I first heard about 4E, I've moved from being highly dubious about yet another version being published, to cautiously optimistic and pre-ordering the books. I'm looking forward to reading more about the game after the D&D Experience at the end of the month. Sadly I can't attend, as we're involved with running the World Science Fiction Convention this year. Still, I'm hoping for some reviews and solid information about the game to come out at that point. Having changed my mind all the way from "You've got to be kidding!" to "June can't come soon enough", clearly the marketing of the P&P aspect of the game is working for me. I've enjoyed the articles we've seen so far that are revealing aspects of the game mechanics. I greatly appreciated some of the playtesters coming forward with their opinions on the game - even if they were told to only say positive things. That doesn't diminish in any way the positive things they *did* have to say. They could have said nothing at all. Instead I'm thrilled to hear that many of the flaws in the current system seem to have been addressed. Even if they added dragonborn with boobs. What's with that? ;) My concerns about marketing lie more with the D&DI content. I feel that the free preview is a good idea in principle, but it's failing to win me over. I use Macs. WotC is using DirectX as an engine for the character generator and virtual tabletop, so those of us who don't have Windows boxes will not receive that portion of the D&DI content. I'm not here to cry about how they should port it to Mac. Leave that aside for now. All I'm saying is that there is one major chunk of what we're supposed to get for our monthly subscription that I have zero access to. So what else do we get with D&DI? Dungeon and Dragon magazines. Okay... but where's the beef? There have been some nice adventures in Dungeon, and I've enjoyed some of the design articles in Dragon, but there hasn't been anything like a complete issue of Dragon published in all this time, and the other articles in Dungeon aren't being written either. Deadlines seem to be going unmet, and there simply isn't much content coming out at all. There's not enough there now to justify the monthly fee. Promises that there will be more content later are hard to believe. You're asking us to buy a pig in a poke. Nothing I have heard or read has persuaded me that it will be worth paying any kind of fee for D&DI. Not to get the VTT system and Character generator that I can't use on my computers. Not to get magazines that have been short on content and big on missed deadlines. I'm in fact gravely concerned that the only access I'll have to rules updates and additional content will be through D&DI. I don't want to pay for something when 90% of the stuff we're supposed to be paying for isn't there or is unusable to me. People have dropped comments about how "That'll be out in D&DI after the game is released" (paraphrased - not an actual quote). That worries me. What are those of us who might pay to unlock our ebooks, but not subscribe going to do? Will we get that stuff with the ebook? D&DI is not going to be an appropriate means of releasing errata, since it will be subscription based. I'm looking forward to 4E, but you have a lot of work to do with the electronic stuff. I'm still open to being persuaded, but I'm not presently optimistic. [/QUOTE]
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