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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Puggins" data-source="post: 4098725" data-attributes="member: 12386">A couple of points relating to the OP:(1) From the only example of play (ie, 1st level), he is wrong regarding decreased damage.  A 1st level rogue with 18 dex and wielding a short sword will inflict 1d6+4 damage with adeft or piercing strike.  Assuming he has CA, the target will suffer 3d6+4 damage.  A rogue in 3e can only inflict 1d6+4 damage if he also has 18 strength.  Even then, the maximum damage he could inflict on a flanked target is 2d6+4.A 1st level rogue will also get an encounter power.  Tortuous strike, once such power, inflicts 2d6+4 damage on a hit (assuming the 18 dex rogue from above) and 4d6+4 damage with CA.  The 3e rogue is stuck at 2d6+4.The one daily power we know about inflicts similar instant damage to Tortuous strike and adds 5 ongoing damage.All in all, the 4e 1st level rogue inflicts damage on a much higher scale than the 3e rogue.(2) the OP is wrong in terms of hit point inflation past the first couple of levels, at least partly.  True, low level characters will have more hitpoints, but high level characters will have significantly lower hit points than before.Look at the 20th level 4e rogue, assuming a 14 con: he has 121 hitpoints.Now look at a 20th level rogue with 14 con + 4 from amulet of health.  Assuming average rolling, he has 152 hit points.  Thus, we know that at least a substantial subset of opponents (enemy high level characters) will have lower hitpoints.We know the spined devil has fewer hit points than before.  Basically, any standard creature starts with more hit points, but will slowly fall behind compared to 3e as levels are added, mostly because con is no longer a per-level adder.  Elites and Solo Monsters break this rule in a major way, of course.I just can't help but agree that this conversation is premature  Hit Point inflation has been observed in major encounters, but standard encounters show opposite movement, with lower hit points from soldiers and the addition of the ultra-weak minions.  Moreover, there's absolutely NO proof that damage has been nerfed- just the opposite has been observed.Wait for more information, please.</blockquote>

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