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<blockquote data-quote="Puggins" data-source="post: 4111980" data-attributes="member: 12386">There's more than one variable when comparing monsters, though.&nbsp; Yes, they do reduced damage, but the PCs have significantly fewer hit points.&nbsp; The 20 con dwarven fighter has 149 hp at 20th level in 4e (I think someone worked out 6hp/lvl, right?), whereas he had 275hp in 3.5e.&nbsp; That's a huge difference in survivability- though healing surges make the whole thing a bit complicated, I'll admit.My primary point is that we simply don't know how the paradigm has shifted yet.&nbsp; For all we know the fighter gets multiple attacks later on, or gets encounter powers that cause 3x[w] and dailies that cause 5x[w].&nbsp; Even extrapolating monster damage is of limited value, because what we define as &quot;speeding up combat&quot; may be completely different to what they define.&nbsp; If, for example, any one combat take the same amoutn of time but gave each character triple the number of actions, is that speeding combat up?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Puggins, post: 4111980, member: 12386"] There's more than one variable when comparing monsters, though. Yes, they do reduced damage, but the PCs have significantly fewer hit points. The 20 con dwarven fighter has 149 hp at 20th level in 4e (I think someone worked out 6hp/lvl, right?), whereas he had 275hp in 3.5e. That's a huge difference in survivability- though healing surges make the whole thing a bit complicated, I'll admit. My primary point is that we simply don't know how the paradigm has shifted yet. For all we know the fighter gets multiple attacks later on, or gets encounter powers that cause 3x[w] and dailies that cause 5x[w]. Even extrapolating monster damage is of limited value, because what we define as "speeding up combat" may be completely different to what they define. If, for example, any one combat take the same amoutn of time but gave each character triple the number of actions, is that speeding combat up? [/QUOTE]

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