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<blockquote data-quote="Erik Mona" data-source="post: 174516" data-attributes="member: 2174">I think Kantrip's point is that the &quot;standard&quot; d20 races are not, in fact, the &quot;standard&quot; races of most fantasy fiction. They fit within Tolkien and the very derivative folks who have been hacking out similar stories for the past 50 years, but I can't remember the last &quot;fresh&quot; story or novel I read that had anything to do with dwarves, for example.The fantasy I read as a kid was mostly Thieves World and Lankhmar and Dune and other stories that centered on humans and used other races as needed for the story. I certainly wasn't interested in cookie-cutter &quot;quest&quot; fiction that stuck to a standard outline every bit as much as a Harlequin romance novel.The fantasy I read now is Vance and Mieville and others who structure their worlds based upon the stories they want to tell, not the other way around.I know that the derivative stuff (Brooks, Fiest, Jordan, etc.) is enormously popular. But it's not really &quot;my&quot; fantasy, and so long as I'm designing something for a home campaign, I'd rather build a world around the stories I'm interested in telling. Elves, as it happens, don't have any part in those stories.--Erik</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Erik Mona, post: 174516, member: 2174"] I think Kantrip's point is that the "standard" d20 races are not, in fact, the "standard" races of most fantasy fiction. They fit within Tolkien and the very derivative folks who have been hacking out similar stories for the past 50 years, but I can't remember the last "fresh" story or novel I read that had anything to do with dwarves, for example. The fantasy I read as a kid was mostly Thieves World and Lankhmar and Dune and other stories that centered on humans and used other races as needed for the story. I certainly wasn't interested in cookie-cutter "quest" fiction that stuck to a standard outline every bit as much as a Harlequin romance novel. The fantasy I read now is Vance and Mieville and others who structure their worlds based upon the stories they want to tell, not the other way around. I know that the derivative stuff (Brooks, Fiest, Jordan, etc.) is enormously popular. But it's not really "my" fantasy, and so long as I'm designing something for a home campaign, I'd rather build a world around the stories I'm interested in telling. Elves, as it happens, don't have any part in those stories. --Erik [/QUOTE]

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