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<blockquote data-quote="Holy Bovine" data-source="post: 175770" data-attributes="member: 203">These are serious fantasy novels in your opinion??Ye gods man, they are a goofy and wacky as you can get (at least Lankhmar and Conan are - haven't read a Thieves World book in 15 or so years).&nbsp; Remember Swords of Lankhmar?&nbsp; Tiny rat-people taking over the city and shapechanging all over the place?Granted these didn't have any elves or gnomes but if that is all you are really looking for (the exclusion of demi-humans, powerful magic and DR monsters) is that really so hard to do with exsisting settings?Just dump all classes except, Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian and all races except human.&nbsp; Maybe use one of many varient (non-magic using) Rangers, Paladins and Bards out there to give a little more choice.Also WOT does have some of what you are looking for despite being based on Jordan's work it is surprisingly 'low-magic'.And the CoC magic system (as some else stated) could easily be used in place of the 3E D&amp;D one.I guess what I'm saying is that most of the pieces you want are already out there - but I admit it would take a little work to pull them all together under one world system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Holy Bovine, post: 175770, member: 203"] These are [I]serious[/I] fantasy novels in your opinion?? Ye gods man, they are a goofy and wacky as you can get (at least Lankhmar and Conan are - haven't read a Thieves World book in 15 or so years). Remember Swords of Lankhmar? Tiny rat-people taking over the city and shapechanging all over the place? Granted these didn't have any elves or gnomes but if that is all you are really looking for (the exclusion of demi-humans, powerful magic and DR monsters) is that really so hard to do with exsisting settings? Just dump all classes except, Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian and all races except human. Maybe use one of many varient (non-magic using) Rangers, Paladins and Bards out there to give a little more choice. Also WOT [I]does[/I] have some of what you are looking for despite being based on Jordan's work it is surprisingly 'low-magic'. And the CoC magic system (as some else stated) could easily be used in place of the 3E D&D one. I guess what I'm saying is that most of the pieces you want are already out there - but I admit it would take a little work to pull them all together under one world system. [/QUOTE]

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