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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6381594" data-attributes="member: 6776887">The major problem is that they wipe out the party.  Quite often they outright kill characters before they even get a chance to act.  Each high CR monster has different reasons why their CR is so high.As for specifics with the Androsphinx:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The three roars have a range of 500 feet, DC18 and essentially immobilize most of the party.  The 3rd one does 44 thunder damage on average.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He has highly damaging spells.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He has 199 hp</li> </ul>With an above average roll at range, the PCs should be able to hit it. but they will mostly be disabled in the first round and picked off by spells.In general, the CR of a creature tells you what is the lowest level of party that should confront the creature.  You can go higher, but character death awaits.A couple of days ago, I had a Giant Crocodile (CR5) fight our 5th level party.  With one bite attack, the crocodile took the 5th level rogue from full hp to within 1 of unconscious.  If that happens with creatures of the same level, imagine what a CR6 or CR7 creature would have done.Or, play test it.  Use the pregens from the starter set that are online.  They go from 1st to 5th level.  Have them attack the sphinx and see what happens.I suppose it would help to know what you mean by lower level party.  For a CR17 creature, that covers a wide range of levels.</blockquote>

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