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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 406039" data-attributes="member: 752">(Very good post Elder-Basilisk.)Repost from <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24083&pagenumber=2" target="_blank">http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24083&pagenumber=2</a> :Why go fighter at all? An straight arcane caster can be just as good (better, IMNSHO) as a "fighter type". (Yes, I am serious.) If you absolutely have to multiclass, there are good reasons to pick one level of almost any class in addition to Sor/Wiz.  Any more than that, and you'll regret it later. You really want as many caster levels as you can get.  If you can use the class-books: Don't go spellsword. It gives reduced arcane spell failure in armor, but you loose too many caster levels. And since you need polymorph to be truly competitive, the supernatural channel spell ability is almost useless. Just get the still spell feat if you want to wear armor.The dragon disciple and bladesinger classes work best if you want a fighter with some minor magical abilities. (Rather than a spellcaster with major melee abilities.) Don't take more than the one Wiz/Sor level you need to qualify.         The class-books have several feats that can be useful. Expert tactician is great for a character that uses improved invisibility in combat. Persistent spell is also nice. I've made a sample wizard character below, using only the core books. He won't do as well on the lower levels, except as a support character (he needs better Str to do well in melee), but once he gets polymorph he'll be more than a match for any fighter. Fully buffed "Chainsaw" can take on a dragon of equal CR in a straight fight.  Barendd "Chainsaw" BalderkDwarven Transmuter 12(After 12th level it's mainly "more of the same, only better".)Note: PH, DMG and MM only. Stats, average results from spells (32 point buy)Str     32         (11)    Dex    15         (13)        Con    26, 18(Annis)     (16)    Int    18            (16) Wis     12        (12)Cha    6        (8)    *Level: +2 Con*Race: +2 Con, -2 Cha*Toad Familiar: +2 con*Headband, Periapt: +4 Con, +2 Int*Bull's Strength: +7 Str (avg.)*Cat's Grace: +3 Dex (avg.)*Annis polymorph Average hit points: 127.5, 4+(11*2.5)+(12*8) Saves:    Fort/Ref/Will4/4/8 Wizard2/2/2 Dwarf (spells) 5/5/5 Cloak1/1/1 Luckstone4/2/1 Stats16/14/17 TotalFeats: 1/3/6/9/12 +2 WizardExotic Weapon Proficiency: Spiked Chain, Expertise, Improved Trip, Combat ReflexesExtend Spell, Empower SpellEquipment (max 88000):4000    Headband of Intellect +216000    Amulet of Health +44000    Ring of Counterspelling (Dispel Magic)300    Masterwork Spiked Chain10000    Luckstone8000    Ring of Protection +22000    Boots of Elvenkind25000    Cloak of Resistance +59500    Boccob's Blessed Book2000    Hat of Disguise80800    Total  (ca. 7000 left for scrolls and expensive spell components)Typical spells in dangerous area (mostly maxed for melee):0/1/2/3/4/5/65/6/6/6/5/4/3Cantrips(5): Prestidigitation, Ghost Sound, Dancing Lights, 2x Detect Magic1st level spells(6): 2x Mage Armor, Expeditious Retreat, 3x Shield 2nd level spells(6): 2x Cat's Grace, Alter Self, Rope Trick, See Invisible,        3rd level spells(6): 3x Haste, 2x Fly, Blink4th level spells(5): Extended Greater Magic Weapon, Extended Nondetection, 3x Improved Invisibility5th level spells(4): Extended Stoneskin, Teleport, Extended Polymorph Self6th level spells(3): Tenser's Transformation, 2x Empowered Empowered Bull's StrengthSpells in bold are in effect at all times. They are cast every evening (and sometimes again later), so that the character has complete redundancy if some of the "permanent" spells are dispelled during the day. (This setup assumes that there is no time for a "buff day".)      (Note that I haven't included true strike. It's a very overrated spell, and usually only useful in very specific situations - even with power attack.) "Regular" AC: 27 (-1 Size, +2 Dex, +10 Natural, +2 Deflection, +4 Mage Armor) Can add Haste (+4 AC), Shield (+7 AC) and Expertise (+5 AC) for a total AC of 43.To hit: +20/+15 (-1 Size, +11 Str, +4 GMW, +6 BAB) Can add Haste, Improved Invisibility (+2 attack and opponent no dex), Fly (+1 higher "ground") and Tenser's Transformation (+6 BAB) to get +29/+29/+24/+19Use blink against ethereal creatures and dragons.  Damage: 2d6 + 20  (+16 Str, +4 GMW)Brief tactics: 20 ft. reach with the chain combined with combat reflexes ensures plenty of AoOs. Use trip attacks to keep opponents away from you. Large size and 32 Str helps on the opposed trip rolls. Use expertise on your haste action (after your regular action) - the penalty only lasts until your next action. When you go invisible the boots of elvenkind makes you almost undetectable, and nondetection can protect you from see invisible. Invisibility and the ring protects you from the main threat - dispel magic. Make sure you get the spellcasters first!</blockquote>

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