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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6429457" data-attributes="member: 7006">Let's not make &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; judgements here on particular playstyles... because admittedly much of what you made mention could be disallowed based upon particular table style and DM style.&nbsp; Ray of Frost (ne &quot;Ice Blast&quot;) doesn't &quot;freeze&quot; anything (to knock someone prone or otherwise) per the actual mechanics of the spell (mechanically, all it does is slow someone down)... so that's your DM adding a flavor and fluff mechanic that the spell itself doesn't actually have.&nbsp; Which is *great* (in my opinion) that your DM adds that kind of stuff... but not every table does.&nbsp; So it's not a &quot;correct&quot; or &quot;incorrect&quot; way of playing that got you these results at your table.Similarly, Shocking Grasp is not a distance spell, it's a melee spell.&nbsp; And also, mechanically-speaking it requires metal armor to be worn, not that any monster just touching metal is more susceptible.&nbsp; So again... while it's great that your DM is making these judgement calls to allow these to be used in the particular ways that you mention... the fact that other tables might not get to do the same thing doesn't make your way &quot;correct&quot;.If KarinsDad's DM doesn't allow this expansion of cantrips that your table allows... then his gripes about being underpowered might have more weight than you're allowing for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6429457, member: 7006"] Let's not make "right" or "wrong" judgements here on particular playstyles... because admittedly much of what you made mention could be disallowed based upon particular table style and DM style. Ray of Frost (ne "Ice Blast") doesn't "freeze" anything (to knock someone prone or otherwise) per the actual mechanics of the spell (mechanically, all it does is slow someone down)... so that's your DM adding a flavor and fluff mechanic that the spell itself doesn't actually have. Which is *great* (in my opinion) that your DM adds that kind of stuff... but not every table does. So it's not a "correct" or "incorrect" way of playing that got you these results at your table. Similarly, Shocking Grasp is not a distance spell, it's a melee spell. And also, mechanically-speaking it requires metal armor to be worn, not that any monster just touching metal is more susceptible. So again... while it's great that your DM is making these judgement calls to allow these to be used in the particular ways that you mention... the fact that other tables might not get to do the same thing doesn't make your way "correct". If KarinsDad's DM doesn't allow this expansion of cantrips that your table allows... then his gripes about being underpowered might have more weight than you're allowing for. [/QUOTE]

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