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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6431648" data-attributes="member: 2011">What you are calculating is DPR (damage per round). Which is a good yardstick of overall average damage.But what I was discussing is straight up damage. The rogue often does 15 or more points of damage if he hits because he often gets sneak attack (even without a second weapon, average is 1d4+2D6+5 = 14.5 plus criticals). No, he does not always get sneak attack damage, nor does he always hit.But when fighting two weapon, he hits often enough to do serious damage. Let's say he has a foe with AC 14 (which is a reasonably moderate AC). His main weapon (a +1 dagger) has a 70% chance to hit and his offhand shortsword has a 65% chance to hit.a) 45.5% 1d4+2D6+5+D6 = 18 (without counting criticals)b) 24.5% 1d4+2D6+5 = 14.5c) 19.5% 3D6 = 10.5d) 10.5% 0With 3 round encounters, he'll miss one encounter in 3 when fighting 2 weapon against AC 14 foes.Fighting two weapon, his DPR (against AC 14) is 7.825 without sneak attack and 14.545 with sneak attack. Fighting single weapon, his DPR (against AC 14) is 5.375 without sneak attack and 10.625 with sneak attack. This is what you were discussing. So yes, if he can manage to get sneak attack damage, his DPR average is better than average magic missile damage (in the AC 14 case and in many cases).</blockquote>