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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6433831" data-attributes="member: 1210">There's no rogue in my 5e game yet, but it looks really easy to get SA as long as there is someone else in melee with a standing enemy on your turn. Almost trivial. But as I said, that's on paper, not in play.It's almost always better to use a cantrip: comparable damage (and higher damage once you're 5th level) and no spell slot expended. Cantrips don't seem to be game-changers, but the wizard shouldn't change the nature of the battle every round IMHO. However, sometimes there's a game-changing moment via cantrips; both ray of frost and shocking grasp can really enable a badly wounded pc to escape from a dangerous foe. Other than that, 5e game's wizard has used thunderwave to prevent multiple pc deaths when gricks were munching on the fallen. I'll vouch for that one. It wasn't the wizard, but last night the paladin used protection from evil and good and a bottleneck to face down a horde of 8 zombies while the other two pcs with him hung back and used ranged attacks. PfE&G was a game changer; he only got hit twice in that entire encounter, and he prevented the zombies from engaging the other two pcs. It wasn't but it very well could have been a wizard casting that spell. (The pcs were 2nd and 3rd level, for the record.)Shatter has actually undergone a substantial upgrade into a combat spell. It was also a game-changer in a couple of encounters, when the monsters were all wounded but still up and the pcs mostly down. (Thank God for sculpt spell!)He's just barely turned 4th level, so I haven't seen much else yet. His only encounter with his new second level spells (invisibility and scorching ray), his dice were cold, so I can't assess SR fairly yet (and he didn't use invisibility).Wizards seem okay to me. Low-damage? Yes. But they get to do the right damage to the right target at the right time. A fighter is a crowbar or a machete; a wizard is a multitool.</blockquote>

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