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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6443209" data-attributes="member: 2011">The martial archers in our game get D8+3 damage and +7 to hit at level one (DPR 6.225 against AC 12).D10 damage (for those players wanting to take Firebolt) and +5 to hit is DPR 4.125 against AC 12. 66% of the damage (in this example) of a martial archer (3.375 DPR and 54% for those wizards taking a D8 cantrip).Basically 2/3rds damage does not make an archer wanna be (and yes, I do realize that you wrote non-martial).An Elven wizard with Dex 14 and a longbow does a hair more (4.45 DPR).So yeah, still a subpar role.Player Fighter Archer: "Yup, killed 12 Kobolds today. It's great to do a minimum of 4 points of damage."Player Wizard Archer: "I hit 8, but I had 3 bad rolls, two 1s and a 3 for damage. Sigh." <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />When an archer with a bow rolls low, he can still do 2 to 4 times the damage that a "spell casting archer" rolling low does.Archer is less valid of a role than most of the others. It's like being a henchmen archer, even if a wizard focuses on that.Player Fighter: "Dude, do you have 'NPC Henchmen' stamped on your forehead?"Player Wizard: "Yeah, but just you wait. In 4 more levels, I'll be up to 80% of a full party member and will contribute in half of the encounters." <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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